Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
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Could someone provide me with a code reference that indicates when a certain member is defined as a column vs a wall (aspect ratios etc?). Looking more as it pretains to min. reinforcing provisions and fire rating applications as opposed to strength design.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
For reinforcing purpose, I define a column as a long compression member with both axes having similar structural characteristics/responses when subjected to same type of loadings. Otherwise, it is a wall. (For example, shear deformation is more dominate along the axis of wall, but not the case in the other direction. Others may have better examples, please address)
For fire rating, I think you have to judge it base on how important it is to the safety/structural integrity of the entire structure and the failure mode. To me, it is a column if substantial collapse would be triggered by fail of such compression element.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
My personal belief is fairly simple, and similar to kslee1000's approach; It has to do with behaviour. If the element will behave primarily as a compression member under vertical loading, it is a column. Buckling checks, stirrups to stabilise the compression steel, stirrups to permit safe formation of plastic hinges, etc, etc, column detailing approaches are required. If the element acts primarily as a flexural member, or the compressive load can be seen to dialate out accross a length of the element from point of loading, that is a wall.
I don't buy the argument of "either way is fine" which I have seen before, but have only my guy feel to back me up. I don't think you can expect a section to behave as a wall or a column just because you say it will... Nature will do whatever comes easiest.
I have heard ratios battered about previously as well, everything from h/d > 6 to h/d > 3. I will be very interested to see if anyone can post a code reference!
Cheers,
YS
B.Eng (Carleton)
Working in New Zealand, thinking of my snow covered home...
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RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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As an FYI ACI 530 defines a column for masonry as b/d ratio <3.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Assign rigid aspect ration can fool you into making trigical mistakes without thinking the consequence. For example, due to aesthetic reasons, a short wall (pier) with relative large aspect ratio can serve as main column in many modern buildings. Structurally it can be designed as a wall, but functionally speaking it is a column. I hope there is someone agree with me on this, and can provide better explanations and examples.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Otherwise it would be a column.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Does Can. code explains the logic behind the suggest ratio?
Very curious to know. Thanks ahead.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
2102.1 General. The following words and terms shall, for the purposes of this chapter and as used elsewhere in this code, have the meanings shown herein.
WALL. A vertical element with a horizontal length-to-thickness ratio greater than three, used to enclose space.
Don Phillips
http://worthingtonengineering.com
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Cheers,
YS
B.Eng (Carleton)
Working in New Zealand, thinking of my snow covered home...
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Quite correct. Especially the exact/explicit codification has legal consequences/implications.
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
RE: Definition of a concrete columns vs. a wall
Cheers,
YS
B.Eng (Carleton)
Working in New Zealand, thinking of my snow covered home...