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IEBC Allowable 5% Gravity Increase on Total Load or Load Type?

waytsh

Structural
Jun 10, 2004
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My understanding based on previous editions of the IEBC is that the 5% increase was based on the total gravity load. The wording in the more current versions, however, could be read as 5% of the load type, i.e. dead, live, or snow.

“Any existing gravity load-carrying structural element for which an alteration causes an increase in design dead, live or snow load, including snow drift effects, of more than 5 percent shall be replaced or altered…”

How do you guys read this?
 
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I would still interpret it as meaning a maximum of 5% increase in the total load effect.
 
I would consider total load as well.

With roof live loads decreasing to 20 psf from 30 psf, that is an easy location to find some additional SID capacity in renovations...

The existing building code is really poor in it's wording. I find designers have wildly varying interpretations and AHJ's often have a very inadequate enforcement. I think the IBC should include multiple different "example" projects with the correct interpretations.
 
Yes - you must become one with your inner lawyer when it comes to the IEBC. I'm going to go against the consensus so far and say that my interpretation of the 2021 IEBC is for each load case (not sure I completely agree with that, but that is how it reads). The 2015 IEBC was clear this exception was limited to less than 5% stress increases, not even mentioning individual cases. Why would they diverge from this very clear requirement to this wording unless there was a deliberate change of intent. If their intent was to essentially have the design checks be equivalent between 2015 and 2021, they did a very poor job.

Regardless, I would send an inquiry to ICC and will likely do so myself next time I run into this limitation.
 
My understanding based on previous editions of the IEBC is that the 5% increase was based on the total gravity load. The wording in the more current versions, however, could be read as 5% of the load type, i.e. dead, live, or snow.

“Any existing gravity load-carrying structural element for which an alteration causes an increase in design dead, live or snow load, including snow drift effects, of more than 5 percent shall be replaced or altered…”

How do you guys read this?
Based only on the text of the quoted passage above, I agree with @Flotsam7018 that the 5% limit is for the magnitude of each load, not the total load or load effect. That is what the text says, but I do not know if that is what was meant. In practice, I would probably stick to 5% total load or load effect.
 
“Any existing gravity load-carrying structural element for which an alteration causes an increase in design dead, live or snow load, including snow drift effects, of more than 5 percent shall be replaced or altered…”

Sometimes it is necessary to write the total story to get the requirement:

[BS] 706.2 Addition or replacement of roofing or replacement of equipment. Any existing gravity load-carrying structural element for which an alteration causes an increase in design dead, live or snow load, including snow drift effects, of more than 5 percent shall be replaced or altered as needed to carry the gravity loads required by the International Building Code for new structures.

My interpretation is ;

- 706.2 is for Addition or replacement of roofing or replacement of equipment,
- t
he 5% limit is for the magnitude of each load,
- If the alteration causes an increase in dead, live or snow load..of more than 5 percent , replacement or alteration is required if necessary. That is , if the addition or alteration causes an increase more than 5 percent , it is necessary to perform calculation and prove that replacement or alteration is not needed or shall be replaced or altered as needed to carry the gravity loads required by the IBC for new structures.
 
Thank you all for the responses. Sorry for the delay in posting again. Sometimes life gets in the way.

- 706.2 is for Addition or replacement of roofing or replacement of equipment,
Correct, in my particular situation the client is adding a roof top unit but I think the Prescriptive and Alteration Level 1 chapters have the same wording.

I think I am landing with the majority opinion that it is 5% of the total load and they just wrote it poorly. I don't understand what the logic would be to have it delineated by load case unless it is a duration concern. A building doesn't know whether we are considering the load as a dead, collateral, live, or snow. It just knows that there is a load of a certain magnitude on it. Maybe I am missing something.
 
My interpretation is they likely removed the stress language as most of the design methodologies now are based on LRFD so I believe the intent is a 5% increase in demand in whatever form that takes shear, moment, axial, torsion. To me this also doesn't mean directly allowing a demand/capacity utilization ratio of 1.05, my read on this would only allow for this if the existing element was already at a 1.0 utilization.
 
I agree with the majority that the rule should be 5% of total load.
I disagree with the majority that the rule is 5% of total load.
ICC has clearly stated their requirements. From a legal standpoint, we are generally not permitted to flaunt any requirements, even where the committee has demonstrated they need to return to high school to learn how to write.

I should add the commentary contradicts the code, see screenshots below. I would guess this discrepancy exists because commentary has not been updated to match main code. I understand Waytsh is in chapter 7, but in my opinion the scope of this discussion should include chapters 8 and 9 too.

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