Basic Curves and Associative curves in Drafting 2

[SamSlivinski]

Hello,

Using NX6 here, soon to upgrade. My co-worker and I encountered a problem in drafting because of the diffirent methods we use to create manufacturing sheets. I came over from Auto Cadd and Pro/E and I exclusively use associative curves. While on the other hand, said co-worker uses basic curves. The problem was when he would go to edit a sheet I created in drafting and create a basic curve, he could not edit the basic curves that he had created.

We tested this by making a new sheet and first making an associative curve and then creating basic curves and trying to trim both. The associave worked without a problem. The basic curves would not trim though. We also tested drawing basic curves first and the associative and the results came out the same. Associave curves would trim, basic would not.

Ant solutions or information on this would greatly be appreciated

Thank you,
Sam

 

[jerry1423]

What method did you use to trim ?

 

[SamSlivinski]

I created two lines and attempted to trim on line using the other line as its boundry. I kept the type lines with eachother though. Used associative to trim associative and basic to trim basic.

 

[JohnRBaker]

We are moving almost exclusively to Sketching in Drafting when you need to create simple curves. Each new version has been increasing the functionality of Sketching on Drawings in a Drawing views. At the same time we have been slowly removing the old 'basic curve' and non-sketch curve functions. So I wouldn't waste a lot of time working out workflows which is not based on the idea that 2D curves in Drafting will now be donw via sketching.

John R. Baker, P.E.
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[SamSlivinski]

This is the answer we were expecting. I dabbled in 7.5 a bit and noticed the basic curves were even more hidden than in 6. As stated, I never really used/use basic curves, so this was not a problem for me so much as it was a problem for my co-worker. Although if the opposite had been true and I had been attempting to edit his drawing and used associative curves and then tried to edit his basic curves I would have run into the same problem.

Thank you for the response! I am sure as we move to 8.5 we will be using exclusively sketching

 

[jerry1423]

I really wish they'd keep the basic curves available to use.
There are times when I want to do something simple, like make a small portion of a cutting plane line invisible (because it is interferring with something) so I will lay down a couple lines to use as the bounding objects, then remove them when I am done.

To be frank I haven't gotten the whole jist of sketching in Drafting . . . I know I am missing something here, and I have tried it, but given up a few steps into it because of the time that I was wasting.

 

[miked64]

I am with you Jerry, i hope they keep basic curves availble forever, i also you them quite a bit.
John, who decides to remove these things, is there any kind of survey or do the developers decide these things?

 

[jerry1423]

and this is one thing that I don't like about a CAD package like SolidWorks . . . every freaking curve needs to be in a sketch !

 

[miked64]

I am not a huge fan of the idea that UG is even thinking about doing away with basic curves. It will annoy the hell out of
me as well as many others i am sure. A company i worked for for 15 years still does not even use sketcher, it was far simpler to
use basic curves to create the complext parts we manufactured, especially when the parts were new and many changes were made
early on. I know of 3 companys in my area probably 18-20 seats of ug who feel the same.

 

[SamSlivinski]

Why was it easier to use basic curves for you for complex parts? The sketcher feels natural to use, while the basic curves feel clumbersome and inefficient to me. Maybe this is simply because I only tried basic curves, never used them extensively.

 

[miked64]

much easier to change things without having isues with consraints and such. Dont get me wrong sketcher is a great tool, i just hope they
always keep basic curves as an option as well.

 

[miked64]

samslivinski
curious- what were you yousing basic curves for in drafting?

 

[SamSlivinski]

I think originally we were just trying to edit a rev block (included text) that was made from basic curves when we discovered we could not. Usually I don't use them. My co-worker uses them if some small line needs to be added to make the intent of a view more clear and things of that nature. Never anything having to do with editing the model of a part. Hope that answers your question.

 

[JohnRBaker]

NX 8.0 includes tools to create Drawing boarders so there no need to 'create' the geometry as curves. Also title blocks and revision blocks will use Tabulated Notes, again, no need to create any manual curves, sketched or otherwise.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[miked64]

when the tabulation blocks are set up correctly on your drawings it is a great tool in drafting. I use a few different softwares here for drafting and
UG is hands down the best. There are times when I will have to right click on a view and "expand" the view and then insert a curve or line on the drawing
just to give me something to pick to for say defining an angle, or to dection a view too. But never to alter anything in any way.
That another reason I hope lines, curves, basic curves never go away.
Just my two cents worth.