NX2027 - Is there a fix or is this a Glitch

[Kenja824]

We are sometimes having an issue where we can extract edges in modeling, and then do a "Save View As". Then when we place the new view in drafting all of the lines disappear. To get them to show up in the drafting view, we have to go back to modeling and select all the lines, and cut and paste the lines.

Recently someone had a different but similar issue. They will create the view, when they go to add the view in drafting, the Preview will not show the lines but when he places the view they show up. But the lines that show up are selectable in drafting and don't seem connected to modeling. When you delete one of the lines in drafting, even though it is in the view, it acts as if the line was created inside the drafting view. It deletes with no warning that you are deleting a modeling object.

I found however if we go into modeling and select all the lines and cut and paste them again. Everything works right. Just like the other issue.


It is almost like some workers are doing their work in a dream state and have to cut their work out of the dream state and paste it into reality. lol

Does anyone else have a similar issue or know what the fix is?

 

[GigaManf]

Not sure what you are trying to do with curves, why are you extracting curves for a drafting view? When you create a drafting view of a model, the edges should show in the view; there is no need to manually extract edge curves. Are you drafting the curves and not a model? NX is a top-tier application and extracting curves for drafting purposes is definitely not needed.

Your post sounds like a BOT, lol.

 

[Kenja824]

I will try to explain this....

All the robots that weld automotive products together need to be taught where to weld. How to turn the weldguns to get in between tooling and such to reach the right place to weld. The people who teach them need to know where the weld spots are going to be, to make sure the weldguns end up at the correct locations and are perpendicular to the surfaces to get a clean strong weld. So before they do this, they need someone to lay templates across the product with holes punched out where every weld spot will be and then they mark through holes onto the metal.

Those templates are cut out of a mylar paper that comes in 900mm rolls. They need to form to the products bends and such so the spots end up in the correct positions.

If we just show the product in the views, we would get all the product and even the other side of the parts. Causing double lines as the product is often only 1.6mm thick. It would make these templates quick convoluted and confusing to see all the extra lines.

We make things even clearer for them by only giving the edges of the faces that are being welded and not the entire part. Otherwise we would not be able to fit the templates on the paper.

Outer edges are solids. Any tangent edges are phantom so they recognize it is just a bend. General Motors also put standards we need to follow. Outer edges are one color and bends are another color. Holes are yet another color.

Much of this would not be able to be done just showing typical views of the parts.

So we extract the edges and turn off the product layer and have complete control over it all.

 

[GigaManf]

I have seen similar things done in other systems. Can you model parts that represent your templates then assemble them? Also, decals might work too. I used to use decals often in SWX with a different company, however I haven't used decals in NX as yet.

 

[Rob_N]

I will try to explain this....

All the robots that weld automotive products together need to be taught where to weld. How to turn the weldguns to get in between tooling and such to reach the right place to weld. The people who teach them need to know where the weld spots are going to be, to make sure the weldguns end up at the correct locations and are perpendicular to the surfaces to get a clean strong weld. So before they do this, they need someone to lay templates across the product with holes punched out where every weld spot will be and then they mark through holes onto the metal.

Those templates are cut out of a mylar paper that comes in 900mm rolls. They need to form to the products bends and such so the spots end up in the correct positions.

If we just show the product in the views, we would get all the product and even the other side of the parts. Causing double lines as the product is often only 1.6mm thick. It would make these templates quick convoluted and confusing to see all the extra lines.

We make things even clearer for them by only giving the edges of the faces that are being welded and not the entire part. Otherwise we would not be able to fit the templates on the paper.

Outer edges are solids. Any tangent edges are phantom so they recognize it is just a bend. General Motors also put standards we need to follow. Outer edges are one color and bends are another color. Holes are yet another color.

Much of this would not be able to be done just showing typical views of the parts.

So we extract the edges and turn off the product layer and have complete control over it all.

Since you mentioned General motors, do you have the GM supplier toolkit? if it's something they require there may already be a tool they made for it.

for our spot weld templates we'll typically plot a bunch of full scale views of the flanges only on paper and they use thin clear acetate and trim them
another thing we've done since we 5 axis laser most parts, we'll make one of the tryout parts with crosshairs etched for spotwelds and they'll make their templates from that.