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Calling out Knurling on a drawing 3
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Well I am not sure if this is correct, but my last company had a policy on how to do this. We would draw the shaft at it's base size and place a note with a leader stating what knurl was to be applied. If I were you, I would talk to whoever is going to do the knurl for you, and see how they would like it called out.
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ASME Y14.5M-1994 1.8.17 & Fig 1-46 gives the basics:
Knurling is specified in terms of type, pitch and diameter before and after knurling. Where control is not required, the diameter after knurling is omitted. Where only a portion of a feature required knurling, axial dimensioning is provided.
ANSI/ASME B94.6 is the inch-knurling standard.
On an actual drawing this translates to a note or call out along the lines of either:
PITCH .8 RAISED DIAMOND KNURL
OR
96 DP RAISED DIAMON KNURL ALL AROUND
The former gives the actual pitch, the second is how many ‘peaks’ around the diameter (DP = diametral pitch per ASME Y14.38-1999).
Only the former is explicitly given in 14.5, I think the latter may be in B94.6, it was about a year ago I looked into it so I can’t recall for sure.
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Knurling is specified in terms of type, pitch and diameter before and after knurling. Where control is not required, the diameter after knurling is omitted. Where only a portion of a feature required knurling, axial dimensioning is provided.
ANSI/ASME B94.6 is the inch-knurling standard.
On an actual drawing this translates to a note or call out along the lines of either:
PITCH .8 RAISED DIAMOND KNURL
OR
96 DP RAISED DIAMON KNURL ALL AROUND
The former gives the actual pitch, the second is how many ‘peaks’ around the diameter (DP = diametral pitch per ASME Y14.38-1999).
Only the former is explicitly given in 14.5, I think the latter may be in B94.6, it was about a year ago I looked into it so I can’t recall for sure.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
I have found many companies here in the US that don't like to and will not follow the ASME standards. They are even QS and TS certified. They prefer to follow their own methods so they get the best results. Well that and many times they are vastly under-educated and don't understand most standars... 
sbozy, that's why I put e.g. not i.e.
I'm actually working at one of the places that (at least historically) dont like to follow the standards. We're gradually changing that but it's not always pain free.
I just referenced the standard as the OP asked for 'CORRECTLY', I figured that, assuming the OP is in the US, the ASME standards are as good a definition of correctly as anything else.
Back in the last place I worked in UK we would often just put a callout saying COURSE KNURL or FINE KNURL but arguably that doesn't well define it.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
I'm actually working at one of the places that (at least historically) dont like to follow the standards. We're gradually changing that but it's not always pain free.
I just referenced the standard as the OP asked for 'CORRECTLY', I figured that, assuming the OP is in the US, the ASME standards are as good a definition of correctly as anything else.
Back in the last place I worked in UK we would often just put a callout saying COURSE KNURL or FINE KNURL but arguably that doesn't well define it.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Well actually I'm in Canada, and typically if the part were to be made in house I would just put course, or fine knurl, however we will be outsourcing this, and there is a good chance that the company making it will not be the same as the one who originally made it. I would venture to say that simply putting fine knurl will greatly reduce the chances of getting what we actually want.
Thanks for the help.
Bergey
Thanks for the help.
Bergey
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Sorry ASME is what I was looking for. Unfortunately our industry is still greatly driven and influenced by the US. Maybe, just maybe sometime this century they will follow the rest of the world, and switch to metric, and metric standards? Novel idea I know, but maybe. ;-)
Rest of the world? UK was still a mix while I was working there.
While there are differences the ASME & ISO standards are generally getting closer to each other. Y14.5M applies to both metric & inch.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
While there are differences the ASME & ISO standards are generally getting closer to each other. Y14.5M applies to both metric & inch.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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Officially they are, but back in 2004 they were certainly still a mix in the Engineering world and I doubt it's changed since.
However, you can get fined for selling food such as potatoes by the pound or material by the yard etc.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
However, you can get fined for selling food such as potatoes by the pound or material by the yard etc.
KENAT, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
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LOL Don. I concur.
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
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Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
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Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group
Forget to mention why I was really replying...for future reference, there's a Drafting Standards forum on eng-tip:
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
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Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group
Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
sw.fcsuper.com
Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group
Yeah, having a system of units that:
1) Links electrical and mechanical response
2) Has connection to the periodic table
3) Correctly separates force and mass into 2 entities
is very overrated. I hope we in the USA continue to perpetuate the lunacy of pound-force and pound-mass in perpetuity.
Regards,
Cory
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1) Links electrical and mechanical response
2) Has connection to the periodic table
3) Correctly separates force and mass into 2 entities
is very overrated. I hope we in the USA continue to perpetuate the lunacy of pound-force and pound-mass in perpetuity.
Regards,
Cory
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eromlignod
Mechanical
- Jul 28, 2006
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Yada-yada. I'm 43 and started learning the Metric System when I was in the fifth grade (1974). Both systems were also taught extensively when I went to college (UMR). I'm utterly "bilingual" when it comes to units, as are virtually all American engineers. I've been using both with ease for 21 years in industry.
I could really care less whether they change over to Metric or not, since it makes absolutely no difference to me whatever.
And incidentally, the English unit for mass is the slug. Pounds are a unit of force. Using lbm for mass is strictly bush league.
Don
I could really care less whether they change over to Metric or not, since it makes absolutely no difference to me whatever.
And incidentally, the English unit for mass is the slug. Pounds are a unit of force. Using lbm for mass is strictly bush league.
Don
Don,
I am aware of the mythical slug, as used in USA universities. I have never seen a document in industry use or refer to the slug. What is the conversion between the slug and the international prototype of the kilogram housed at BIPM?
While some segments of society/industry can avoid SI, it is necessary if you are to combine all segments. That is the beauty - I can switch from vehicle dynamics, stress calculations, and electrochemistry without changing unit systems. It really is the only game in town for those that touch multiple areas.
Regards,
Cory
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I am aware of the mythical slug, as used in USA universities. I have never seen a document in industry use or refer to the slug. What is the conversion between the slug and the international prototype of the kilogram housed at BIPM?
While some segments of society/industry can avoid SI, it is necessary if you are to combine all segments. That is the beauty - I can switch from vehicle dynamics, stress calculations, and electrochemistry without changing unit systems. It really is the only game in town for those that touch multiple areas.
Regards,
Cory
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eromlignod
Mechanical
- Jul 28, 2006
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Changing unit systems = big deal! What's that take...two seconds? So it's "beeooteeeful"...how is this helping me? Give me a problem in any units; I don't care; bring it on! I can do it in my sleep. Units are the absolute least of my worries.
You'd be better off worrying about getting projects done and out the door than fussing about minutiae like the international standard for the kilogram.
Get back to work, kid!
Don
You'd be better off worrying about getting projects done and out the door than fussing about minutiae like the international standard for the kilogram.
Get back to work, kid!
Don
Is that what NASA said?
;-)
Sadly in the UK only metric is taught now. In fact the latest generation of teachers have no knowledge of imperial measurements, so Lord help the students.
However I fear we are drifting rather OT....
"I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go past." Douglas Adams
;-)
Sadly in the UK only metric is taught now. In fact the latest generation of teachers have no knowledge of imperial measurements, so Lord help the students.
However I fear we are drifting rather OT....
"I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go past." Douglas Adams
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