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Shaved CSK NAS1097 rivet strength allowables

SteveAero

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Hi,

I know that this subject has been broached in previous posts, but I am looking for something more specific.

Due to corrosion in the skin of a Boeing a/c, a blend out (from 0.071" to 0.068") was performed at joint locations. This means that the skin and NAS1097K fastener heads were shaved down by 0.003". The DER is requesting a calculation showing the reduction in the static joint allowable due to the head of the rivet being shaved down. I know of 2 sources that have such a calc-both HSB references from my time working for Airbus:
  1. HSB 21020 calculates the head and shank Ultimate static allowables,
  2. HSB 21025 provides a method to determine fastener joint strength allowable in case a fastener head becomes un-flushed after a rework (blend out) without adjustment of the countersink.
Both of these sources yield around 3% reduction in static joint strength in this situation.

My question: are there any similar methods in the public domain (or of American origin) that would yield the static joint reduction for shaved head NAS1097 rivets?
 
AFAIK you are not allowed to shave 1097 heads. ... IDU, you mention something like 0.07" corrosion damage, but this leads to 0.003" shaving on the heads ?

I'd replace the rivets, and see if anyone can notice the 0.003" heads ? But if your DER will buy what you're selling then go for it ! IF you're saying that you know the Airbus methods, but can't quote them in a report, then, yeah, you probably need some test data to validate this for yourself. "HSB" is an airbus strength manual ?

Will will have more to say on this, I'm sure ... not that I'm poking at Will ... really ...
 
Comment... NAS1097 what Dia/alloy??? #4, #5, #6... AD, D, KE...etc??

I concur with RB...

#1... Remove rivet(s) with shaved-down heads and 'shoot' new NAS1097xx's wet with primer... and allow the heads to 'ride' slightly above flush.

#2... Remove rivet(s) with shaved-down heads and install 1-OS [1/64] titanium shear-head Hi-Lok Pins [+ aluminum shear-collars] in transition fit, with sealant and allowing head(s) to 'ride slightly' high [with sealant squeeze-out to fillet around the edge of the head].... in AREA of skin rework.

#3... I have other 'aces-up-my-short-sleeve'... sorta simple to understand... but explaining them can be difficult to document.
 
when we need a custom CSK (and are "happy" that it is not a critical installation) we'll sometimes shoot BB rivets, so they overfill the CSK, and shave flush.

or flip the rivet around, head on the inside, buck into the CSK, overfill, and shave flush.
 
rb...

BB rivets are just a weee bit stronger than A rivets aren't they?

OK, reverse bucking with protruding head on inside, bucked-tail into 'what's-left-of-the-countersink' and above flush... shave the tail 'flat' +0.010-to-+0.025 above flush.
 
BB is AD material, full CSK.
Ahhh... I had a mental f*rt...

My brain jumped tracks... thot BB was a typo for B alloy rivets... but You meant the NAS523 code BB... OHhh Duhhh...

I avoid B at all cost...
 
we might use B for non-structural rivets in composites, where we don't want to over-squeeze the composite laminate
 
Do not do this unless there is a legitimate reason there is no alternative.

Transitional joint strength not really semi-empirical, it is mostly derived from testing. Reduction in strength for microshaving is not easily calculated, and certainly not reliably. This is because the microshaving process is highly variable especially for 1-off situations like this. And usually SRM shaving allowables have test data to support them. Surprised a DER is ok with that tactic.

Either you point to an SRM procedure which allows microshaving for your particular scenario, or come up with something else that doesn't require it. And you're probably SOL with SRM since none that I'm familiar with allow blending at fastener locations, for good reason.

Do NOT install rivets "flipped" to shave bucked end. Shaving the bucked end is just as bad or worse IMO than shaving the head, especially after bucking into as csk.

If you are just talking about a blendout at a few fastener locations, it will literally make zero difference having a few protruding heads on the OML.

It's not worth the analysis headache. I strongly suggest:
1. Remove all fasteners c/t the blend which will require microshaving
2. Drill out to next rivet size up, providing nominal spacing range is maintained.
3. Manufacture csk repair washers at locations for remaining csk as req'd
4. Install protruding head rivet w/ csk repair washer on skin OML

Unless you have access to internal loads data, substantiation will need to be "creative". You can't compare to allowable damage limitations from the SRM because they won't allow blending at fasteners specifically because of the effects on joint strength. You say you're calculating a ~3 percent reduction in fastener allowable. But what does your method account for? The head is going to be less stiff and have less bearing area to support secondary bending moment, load transfer (R/P) is going do change throughout the whole joint stackup. What is the joint? A shear tie? A stringer? Not saying it's impossible to show good, but please don't over-simplify it. That's not even accounting for the effects on damage tolerance of the skin leaving an unreinforced blend at a joint location.

Just put in a bigger rivet and switch to protruding head with a csk repair washer... done.

For reference, there are several other threads discussing the issue of microshaving:
 
Do NOT install rivets "flipped" to shave bucked end. Shaving the bucked end is just as bad or worse IMO than shaving the head, especially after bucking into as csk.
Have you ever seen data that categorically examines this?
I've been told varying things about shaving rivet heads (and tails).
Your warning isn't the first I've seen forbidding the practice, but the practice seems to persist.
 

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