Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
(OP)
Many thanks for previous responses to my original Formula 1 question and I would be very interested in finding out what fvd (visitor) found while carrying out the research.
I have access to a very limited 'wind tunnel' and some basic aerofoil sections to carry out my research, however the results were not as conclusive as I had hoped. All I have been able to find basically is that as angle of attack increases downforce and drag increases also, although I am struggling to find the 'angle of stall' and what angle would be most efficient and HOW this can be found.(???)
I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on this area of research - I really would appreciate any help.
Many thanks.
cmaitland_uk@yahoo.com
I have access to a very limited 'wind tunnel' and some basic aerofoil sections to carry out my research, however the results were not as conclusive as I had hoped. All I have been able to find basically is that as angle of attack increases downforce and drag increases also, although I am struggling to find the 'angle of stall' and what angle would be most efficient and HOW this can be found.(???)
I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on this area of research - I really would appreciate any help.
Many thanks.
cmaitland_uk@yahoo.com
RE: Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
This was the method we followed in our propulsion lab to study the pressure distribution on an airfoil. It is a very neat and simple method. You just need a couple of pitot tubes and a U-tube manometer to read the pressure at different points on the surface of the aerofoil.
Sanjiv
III rd year,
Aerospace Engg.
IIT BOMBAY
RE: Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
Also consider the that vortext creates at the rear of the car... As the result of this some forward force is apply to the car... The force is small compare the the drag force though.
Best wish on your research.
RE: Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
RE: Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
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RE: Formula 1 Wing Angle Of Attack
Reading through the messages in response to your question, I found many explanations and suggestions. It is very clear that they come from the aeronautical field.
I am myself an aernautical engineer, worked in this field, and listened to all of the good teachings on the subject. Since when I moved to an F1 team and worked on the aerodynamics I had to "tune" or adapt the knowledge.
Things are happening a bit differently there.
First af all be aware that the best front wing (FW) that you can design can lend the car an average of bad overall aerodynamic behaviour. Every single, small detail of the FW influences the rest of the car. I have many examples of really small details that made the car gain/lose tens of kg of downforce (or CL points, if you prefer).
Bear in mind that:
1. the FW works in ground effect, hence it's a good idea to look at the system wing-ground as an expansion channel BUT
2. the boundary layer on the wing is totally different than the one on the floor !
3. The greatest part of the downforce is better being generated by the mainplane rather than the flap, since the last one deflects the flow upwards a lot. The low pressure generated by the ground effect from the mainplane doesn't generate that much flow deflection.
4. It's hard to find the stall angle and I have never reached it testing on the car because the loss suffered by the rest of the car increasing the flap angle is very big. This prevents from increasing the flap angle. Consider that the rear wing (RW) behaviour depends on the FW flap angle and the flow under the floor (extremely important) is affected as well.
The way I would suggest you to follow for the study of a FW is the use of cfd. You would need the model of the rest of the car as well. I am talking of 3D modeling, because the vortices around the endplates and their interaction with the tires and the brake ducts are a nightmare.
I know it's not very encouraging, but this is the vision of an "aeronautical" who came to F1 and found out that the aerodynamics of these cars is incredibly more complex than what looks like from outside.