Axle failure, thoughts
Axle failure, thoughts
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Hi, I'd like to get the groups thoughts on why this axle shaft failed and how to best go about testing the rest of them. The shaft is heat treated 4140, from machining the splines the hardness seems to be the outer 2-3mm.
Unfortunately I don't have much information from the manufacturer to go with
The vehicle is reasonably heavy but low powered and was travelling at speed when this happened
Thanks in advance for any help
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
From the picture it appears to be a brittle fracture.
Have the other axels NDT mag for indications
Take this axel and send to independent met lab, verify the following.
Material, heat treat condition hardness, tensile test, charpy test
Inspect microstructure.
Electron microscope for hydrogen embritalment.
Pull Material certs, and heat treat certs, and chemical treatment, such as temper etch. Make sure it was post bake properly
Incorrect heat treat procedure will Crack mayerial.
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
Given how little material remained at the final stage as seen by the small circle in the middle, the material seems sufficiently strong. Maybe it was overloaded some time to bend the axle or maybe it's been running overloaded for a long time, or maybe the radius at the change in diameter is just too small.
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
Yes but I don't see a initiated Crack then
a catastrophic failure. If it was a over load , there would of been a Crack initiated. Or am I wrong.
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Our thoughts were the radius between the step up is insufficient. But we dismissed that as its almost exactly the same as the different brand replacement
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Keeping shafts straight and concentric
Is not simple. The whole manufacturing is an art and skill.
These are my thoughts.
How concentric and straight were the shafts before heat treating.
And where the shafts staighten.
During and after heat treat were the shafts straighten .
Were the shafts stress relieved ti remove stresses.
Straightening can cause internal stresses and defects.
If the shafts have moment while in use.
And does have proper support. Then I would say yes over load and torsional stress. But I will stick with brittle fracture. And wait for OP to test.
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
As long as there is a chamfer there will be bending where the chamfer ends. Perhaps easing the edge of the chamfer would help. It's still a very short stub of that small diameter so the difference in bending is small.
There could be a photo taken from the side of both parts - don't allow them to touch or it will damage microscopic evidence.
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Brittle fracture is a sudden, rapid cracking of a material under stress. It can be caused by several factors, including:
Stress: High residual or applied stress, or cyclic loading (fatigue)
Temperature: Low temperatures, or temperatures below the glass transition temperature for the material
Grain size: Reduced grain size
Cracks: The presence of a crack-like flaw or defect within the material
Strain rate: High strain rates, such as those caused by impact
Material: Low fracture toughness, metallurgical degradation, or steel contaminants
Section size: High material thickness
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
https://www.irjet.net/archives/V3/i10/IRJET-V3I107... See page 2 of the pdf (page 390 of the original document)
https://www.matec-conferences.org/articles/matecco... page 2, note the cases b and d related to "Fig. 1(b) and (d), describes the appearance of fracture surfaces and
experiences moderate and high stress concentrations."
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
Need more examination for sure to see whether that's a fatigue crack or two failure back to back.
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
It usually initiates from a flat smooth part of the initial failure.
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https://powder.samaterials.com/
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I'm still unclear whether the fracture surface propagated from a groove machined in the shaft.
Any micromotion of the shaft within the bearing at the edge near the shaft shoulder would cause fretting. The endurance strength of a fretted surface is mighty low.
I think the bearing would need to be clamped HARD against the shaft shoulder in order to take over as part of the bending load path.
Is the picture of an un-broken shaft the new replacement shaft?
Is the mottled gray surface from shot-peening ? That could provide be a BIG improvement.
The radius/fillet profile on the lower side of the shaft looks uneven.
A uniform, well blended radius is required.
RE: Axle failure, thoughts
Between paying for repairs and the original manufacturer stone walling me this isn't feasible right now