Contact US

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here

RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

Hi All,

Developer is designing an apartment building that spans over a shallow (2-3' cover) City 33" RCP storm drain within a 20' wide easement. The proposed design has no building or foundations within or surcharging the easement or pipe. The City is asking for a 30' vertical clearance within the easement so they can get a crane in to replace any segments of pipe in the future. Current design only provides 9.5' vertical clearance - providing the full 30' height kills the project. I'm researching other methods of installation of this pipe - bobcat/fork lift etc. that doesn't require as much vertical clearance. Pipe comes in 10' segments that weight ~5,000 lbs each. Any advice is greatly appreciated.



RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

1-Talk to your local contractors and see what they would do in that situation.
2-Incorporate a gantry crane in the building design along the pipe alignment. (Somewhat sarcastic on this one)
3-Replace RCP with 30" PVC? The replacement, if ever needed, can maybe be jacked and bored into position.

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

We've had whole projects (our portion of the project) where we rerouted storm drains (actually large water lines) for future office buildings. Whoever laid out the project should have considered the easement. If you can't reroute the pipe, you might have some bad news for the developer.

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

It sounds like someone should have contacted the City about the easement prior to designing something that only allowed 9.5 ft of vertical clearance above the easement.

For replacement in the future, sliplining could be considered, as long as the existing RCP doesn't have major deflections in the joint.

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

Jed is correct. The line needs to be re-routed to outside the building footprint. I can't imagine the developer will ever get a building permit for this.

Of course, we once looked at a home to potentially purchase where the sun porch was constructed directly over the septic tank. So, you never know what will be approved for construction. Needless to say, we continued our house hunting elsewhere.

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

Thanks for the input everyone. Pretty great community here...

There is a lot of history on the project, several years of design and coordination but this issue slipped through the cracks. I just got brought in the project recently to try and clear this issue, as it's the only thing holding up pulling building permits (previous civil is no more - this is due diligence/SD stuff for us).

Re-routing is not an option without a full redesign of the building, which is what we're trying to avoid.

I'm currently in contact with a lot of local contractors and crane operators trying to confirm there is a way to replace/install with the 10' vertical clear. This is what the developer tasked me with - trying to find evidence the 30' they're asking for is nonsensical so the City will sign us off. But from what I'm hearing there doesn't seem to be a standard practice way to install this heavy of a pipe without a crane/excavator to sling and lower it in the trench, which will require the ~30' clear.

We've looked at PVC/HDPE pipes, the pipe manufacturers will not bless the product to be run underneath buildings and I doubt the City will approve this (looking into this more, since we're not really under a building - no footings or surcharge in the easement).

Keep the ideas coming and I'll keep you all updated.

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

They just want to do it the easy way.
Custom booms can be fabricated for shorter overhangs and would not require 30ft height.

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

Install walls on either side of the pipe; put rails on top of the walls. If pipe needs to be replaced, rig up a car on the rails, slings to hold the pipe, then move the car down the rails into position, lower the pipe into place.

RE: RCP Storm Drain Installation - limited vertical clearance

All these solutions are nice, but it seems you need to get the City to go along with the build. Just offering a solution may not satisfy.
Proposing a structure in an easement is just a bad idea. You're kind of at their mercy without some sort of pre-approval.

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members! Already a Member? Login


Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close