Air flow optimiyation through radiator
Air flow optimiyation through radiator
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Hello everybody,
I'm running into a cooling problem at work on our UAV, essentially the engine is running too hot and I've been tasked to find a solution.
At the moment we have an automotive configuration with the radiator in front of the aircraft and an axial fan right behind the radiator that sucks air in (pull configuration). The fan actually cover only 1/3 of the radiator area and it's basically attached to the back of the radiator with very little gap.
The cooling issue happens when we are on the ground with the fan at max speed, there is simply not enough air going through. We do not expect any cooling issue when in forward flight (fan turned off) since we're gonna have plenty of ram air being pushed through the radiator.
Basically my points are:
- Use two fans instead of one (this alone is not enough though)
- Air flow distribution through the radiator should be as uniform as possible, to achieve it:
- Use some sort of plenum that cover the entire radiator and direct the air to the fans intake.
- The fans should be located as far as possible form the radiator.
- Use guidevanes to compensate for sharp bends (actually used in the past and they work great).
- Redesign the radiator to get a lower pressure drop on the air side.
An additional feature I'd like to implement is to differentiate the air paths when the aircraft is on ground with the fans on and when the aircraft is in forward flight with the fans off. This is both to avoid the fans windmilling during forward flight and to avoid the additional drag from the same fans.
My idea on how to solve this is schematically shown here below.
In the figure is shown the top view of the aircraft, only half of the UAV is shown since it's symmetrical.
My doubt is if something like this would work, especially the point about the two different air paths. The easiest thing would be to put a louver system that close or open the path to the fans but I cannot add any additional weight/actuator so I came out with this "fluid dynamic" solution instead of a mechanical one.
Before starting doing CFD/prototypes I'd like to know your opinion or if you had/know any similar situation. Is the airflow I indicate in the picture realistic for the ground/flight situation?
To summarize my (wishful) thinking is:
- during forward flight no air should go through the fans outlet.
- during ground operation no air should be sucked from the ram air outlet port.
Thanks in advance.
I'm running into a cooling problem at work on our UAV, essentially the engine is running too hot and I've been tasked to find a solution.
At the moment we have an automotive configuration with the radiator in front of the aircraft and an axial fan right behind the radiator that sucks air in (pull configuration). The fan actually cover only 1/3 of the radiator area and it's basically attached to the back of the radiator with very little gap.
The cooling issue happens when we are on the ground with the fan at max speed, there is simply not enough air going through. We do not expect any cooling issue when in forward flight (fan turned off) since we're gonna have plenty of ram air being pushed through the radiator.
Basically my points are:
- Use two fans instead of one (this alone is not enough though)
- Air flow distribution through the radiator should be as uniform as possible, to achieve it:
- Use some sort of plenum that cover the entire radiator and direct the air to the fans intake.
- The fans should be located as far as possible form the radiator.
- Use guidevanes to compensate for sharp bends (actually used in the past and they work great).
- Redesign the radiator to get a lower pressure drop on the air side.
An additional feature I'd like to implement is to differentiate the air paths when the aircraft is on ground with the fans on and when the aircraft is in forward flight with the fans off. This is both to avoid the fans windmilling during forward flight and to avoid the additional drag from the same fans.
My idea on how to solve this is schematically shown here below.
In the figure is shown the top view of the aircraft, only half of the UAV is shown since it's symmetrical.
My doubt is if something like this would work, especially the point about the two different air paths. The easiest thing would be to put a louver system that close or open the path to the fans but I cannot add any additional weight/actuator so I came out with this "fluid dynamic" solution instead of a mechanical one.
Before starting doing CFD/prototypes I'd like to know your opinion or if you had/know any similar situation. Is the airflow I indicate in the picture realistic for the ground/flight situation?
To summarize my (wishful) thinking is:
- during forward flight no air should go through the fans outlet.
- during ground operation no air should be sucked from the ram air outlet port.
Thanks in advance.
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
I don't think that this will work without a damper of some sort.
Could you use the air flow to actuate it?
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
I don't think so; air is a pretty low viscosity fluid, and the resistance of the radiator is substantially higher than the open mouth of the ram air outlet.
But, it seems to me that blocking the ram air outlet on the ground might work, since that would force the air to be drawn through the radiator.
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
Another exit duct seems like a bunch more custom parts / cutouts etc. These problem has been commonly encountered in the homebuilt aircraft community and numerous solutions applied. The simpler the better seems to have best outcome. There is also lots of lessons learn papers on radiator installation design written by NASA and their UK counter parts (1940 mostly).
Why not just go completely automotive and mount 2 fans directly to the radiator. They can always be powered in the climb phase which may let you reduce the size of the ducting.
Have you considered just adding a spray bar to the radiator for the taxi and having not fans. The spray bar can be set to dump the remaining water at the start of takeoff.
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
Most automotive engines have a fan for pulling [or pushing] air thru the radiator, in static [no vehicle movement] ops. As speed picks-up, the fan has a 'clutch Assy' that disengages the fan motor, when ambient air-flow is able to provide adequate cooling. The fan is simply allowed to 'free-wheel/windmill' by the natural flow-thru the radiator... and only re-engages for greater airflow when coolant temperature rises and demands more flow-rate. NOTE: there are usually separate radiators for the coolant and the engine oil.
Air-cooled engines have a similar problem... low airflow thru the cylinder-fins and the oil-radiator fins. On very hot days, there are strict temperature limits which demand that the engine be shut-down-to-cool-down [on the ground]... or quickly/expeditiously taxi/take-off and enter a reduced-power cruise-climb until temperatures settle into the safe range where increased-power generated heat can be dissipated to safely climb-out.
NOTE. In some case, piston engine exhaust can be used to 'pull' a modest airflow thru a radiator [or thru the cylinder-fins, air-cooled engines] using the 'ejector-pump' phenomena.
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
As mentioned, you need to block off all fan sourced air except flow from the radiator - I'd use a plate hinged from the top, far side of the plenum/radiator that redirects to the fans. If it is arranged right a very light weight/counterbalanced panel could close under gravity, but be deflected by ram air through the radiator in flight; it may be that passive operation by an external flap that is forced flat against the fuselage by flight air could add some more force to hold the panel open.
When on the ground the weight of the panel would allow it to block the exhaust and the low pressure generated by the fans would seal it.
Similar flow control worked on the P-51 but used a pilot to operate the vent.
An additional oddness - in normal flight the air passing over the edges of the vanes will add drag and may generate vortices that might whistle. It will not pinch down as diagrammed.
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
there are obvious safety issues with this (vane closing the engine inlet in flight) but nothing that "can't" be solved ...
or maybe multiple vanes which close the heat exchanger inlet in-flight but open to allow the heat exchanger to "suck" whatever airflow it wants on ground ? This way you don't obstruct the engine inlet.
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
You can use thermodynamic principles to estimate the heat rejection from the radiator to verify that it's properly sized or not.
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
If the HX is appropriately sized then your fan is likely undersized by more than half. If its also lacking a well-sealed shroud then cooling issues should've been expected by every engineer and technician worth their paycheck.
Stop thinking of this as an airflow issue, stop trying to reinvent the wheel, and please put down the CFD for a few years. You have a very basic heat transfer design problem that any 1st-2nd year undergrad should be able to reasonably optimize. If you dont have one already, you need a basic spreadsheet for the heat transfer calcs to understand each variable and ensure that you have excess cooling capacity under every operating condition. You then need to wire a few thermocouples to validate the spreadsheet and troubleshoot the existing design.
Your sketches are leading you to a hugely inefficient (read: oversized/HEAVY) cooling system for no real benefit. Shutters are lightweight, simple, and cheap, even light-duty automotive uses them to control airflow through radiators.
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
why won't you put the ground fan in the ram air outlet ? I'm guessing the blockage of the fan may (??) not affect the airflow in flight too much ??
how about adding the fan aft of the ram air outlet for use on the ground ?
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
Ground-launcher/test-station with built-in forced-air engine-cooling... to push or draw air thru the radiator for added cooling when running-up... that is left behind at 'launch' [un-needed in flight] = KISS!!!
Regards, Wil Taylor
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
IME HX/radiators are the major flow restriction hence the importance of shroud sealing and fan sizing, and shutters are used for warmup and other thermal purposes not aero. A windmilling fan is a comparatively tiny restriction.
RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator
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RE: Air flow optimiyation through radiator