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Air Force Diverts Missile Funds To Modify Qatari 747... Money is being taken from Sentinel ICBM program, which is over budget.

WKTaylor

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I feel like I am hallucinating this... participating in a on-going nightmare by buffoons who have no limits... and believe in fairytales and the impossible.

 
The trajectory is that it will take 1 to 2 years to rebuild the aircraft, which will leave as little as 1 year of use before it is transferred to the Trump "library."
We'll check back in "1 to 2 years" and see where they are. If the program that's replacing the current Air Force One aircraft(s) is anything to go by, they'll be lucky if it ever carries a sitting president. And if they are able to get it up to spec in "1 to 2 years", what does that say about what it's been taking to get the official new Air Force One(s) delivered to the Air Force?
 
Is the Covid pandemic still raging? Recall how there was no stopping polio?

Every step taken in the US by that administration drove the pandemic to higher levels than necessary. The US made it to #17 on a list of 238 countries for per capita death rate; 221 countries had lower per capita deaths than "We're #1" Of the roughly 7 million deaths world wide, the US had 1 million of them - 14% of the deaths with only 4% of the world population. I think that means the US managed to be 350% worse than expected.

Good grief indeed.
 
We'll check back in "1 to 2 years" and see where they are. If the program that's replacing the current Air Force One aircraft(s) is anything to go by, they'll be lucky if it ever carries a sitting president. And if they are able to get it up to spec in "1 to 2 years", what does that say about what it's been taking to get the official new Air Force One(s) delivered to the Air Force?
The 1-2 years is merely to get it reworked, not up to specification. Which is a problem with DoD contracting. As time passes there are shifting priorities as other technologies are developed and need to be countered. It's difficult to fully modularize without stagnation. I worked on a project where the microprocessor that was core to the product needed to have a proven track record, so it started off old. By the time development and qualification testing was done the microprocessor was essentially obsolete for general purpose computing.

It's really up to the DoD and the Chief Executive to draw a line and say that they are going to stick with what they have regardless of evolving threats or opportunities and shift that effort to the next in line.

In a way it's like a software release. If one keeps futzing with it because a competitor has a new feature or the UI guys had a brainstorm, the product will never get out the door and the product will get clobbered anyway.
 
The 1-2 years is merely to get it reworked, not up to specification. Which is a problem with DoD contracting. As time passes there are shifting priorities as other technologies are developed and need to be countered. It's difficult to fully modularize without stagnation. I worked on a project where the microprocessor that was core to the product needed to have a proven track record, so it started off old. By the time development and qualification testing was done the microprocessor was essentially obsolete for general purpose computing.

It's really up to the DoD and the Chief Executive to draw a line and say that they are going to stick with what they have regardless of evolving threats or opportunities and shift that effort to the next in line.

In a way it's like a software release. If one keeps futzing with it because a competitor has a new feature or the UI guys had a brainstorm, the product will never get out the door and the product will get clobbered anyway.
Yes, I worked 35 years for a company that developed and sold software, and we had to constantly be aware of the tendency to try to get that last little enhancement into the next version of the software, and I worked in the that part of the company that had to decide what we were spending our resources on. Note that I did not write code, but rather worked developing specifications based on both what our customers were expecting and what we needed to do to remain competitive. There were a few concepts that we always had to keep in mind.

One was the 80-20 rule. This was where we had to keep in mind that the first 80% of almost any project could be accomplished within budget and on time, but the last 20% could take much longer and cost much more, so it was important to not over commit, keeping expectations so that the 80% actually represented what we had promised or what the customer was expecting, which led to another principle and that was that perfect was the enemy of good enough. When we announced what we were going to deliver in a certain version of the software, unless some totally unexpected situation were to come up, all we had to contractually deliver is what we promised. Spending time and resources on something beyond the previously published spec was not what we should be doing. You either save it for the next version or you decide whether it's really needed in the first place. Many times we had customers asking for something that they didn't really need and sometimes we had to educate them as to how they could get what they wanted with what they already had or what was going to be coming in the next version. The same with responding to competitive pressures. There were times when what a competitor was offering wasn't always what it might look like or delivered the benefits promised and then my job was to convince our customers that we were on track to deliver the enhancements and capabilities that we had determined would meet their requirements even if it didn't feel or look like what a competitor was promising. Granted, we were dealing in an environment where once a company decided to use a certain piece of software, after a couple of years and a couple of updates, it was going to be very expensive to switch over to another software product, and I'll admit that we took advantage of this, but it only works in the short term, eventually you had both stay competitive and meet the needs expressed by our customers.

And we must have been doing something right since when I joined the company, our product, when people listed our annual sales or installed seats, we were listed in 'other', and there were about 13 named products ahead of us. When I retired 35-years later, there was basically only three vendors left in the marketplace, and along the way, as we achieved our success, we ended-up acquiring several of those 13 companies which at one time was out ahead of us. Granted, some just fell by the wayside, but at least four of them was to eventually be absorbed outright by us, while in other situations, we just won over those customers whose software supplier had fallen so far behind that the customers were willing to spend the money and expend the effort to change to another vendor.
 
One was the 80-20 rule. This was where we had to keep in mind that the first 80% of almost any project could be accomplished within budget and on time, but the last 20% could take much longer and cost much more, so it was important to not over commit, keeping expectations so that the 80% actually represented what we had promised or what the customer was expecting, which led to another principle and that was that perfect was the enemy of good enough.
A&D isn't that different; there are KPPs and there are the rest of the requirements. The difference is A&D often requires key performance that's never been done before, such as full spherical missile warning and defense, against any threat, etc., etc. Nothing worse than spending megabucks on a KPP, only to find a critical vulnerability late in the design or development
 
Is the Covid pandemic still raging? Recall how there was no stopping polio?

Every step taken in the US by that administration drove the pandemic to higher levels than necessary. The US made it to #17 on a list of 238 countries for per capita death rate; 221 countries had lower per capita deaths than "We're #1" Of the roughly 7 million deaths world wide, the US had 1 million of them - 14% of the deaths with only 4% of the world population. I think that means the US managed to be 350% worse than expected.

Good grief indeed.

Hospitals and test labs would get government kick backs for treating Covid patients. They went out of their way to inflate numbers.

1) There were multiple stories of doctors sending in empty, unused swabs that the test lab said tested "positive" for Covid.
2) I had a relative who had a number of health issues, was obviously on her death bed, doctors said they could bring her back but as she had a DNR, off she went. A day or two before passing, she tested positive. Naturally, the death certificate says she died from Covid.
3) A relative of a friend was crushed by a horse. After a couple days, finally succumbed to her injuries. Death certificate, "died from Covid".

You can blame Trump, I would blame Fauci (which we all know where he lines up), but whoever you blame, you are out of your mind if you believe any of the stats that the CDC, WHO, or any other 3 letter agency provides.
 
Hospitals and test labs would get government kick backs for treating Covid patients. They went out of their way to inflate numbers.

1) There were multiple stories of doctors sending in empty, unused swabs that the test lab said tested "positive" for Covid.
2) I had a relative who had a number of health issues, was obviously on her death bed, doctors said they could bring her back but as she had a DNR, off she went. A day or two before passing, she tested positive. Naturally, the death certificate says she died from Covid.
3) A relative of a friend was crushed by a horse. After a couple days, finally succumbed to her injuries. Death certificate, "died from Covid".

You can blame Trump, I would blame Fauci (which we all know where he lines up), but whoever you blame, you are out of your mind if you believe any of the stats that the CDC, WHO, or any other 3 letter agency provides.
'Lucky Guesser'... is Your childhood nickname 'guesser'??? PS: 'I think , I guess, I heard... common phrases used by TACO.

Lets get this thread back to engineering... a how a Gold plated 1-off 747 can be REALISTICLY adapted for presidential theatrics... yet be ready to survive/fight/communicate during the threat of nuclear war... with the duly elected US president on board.
 
'Lucky Guesser'... is Your childhood nickname 'guesser'??? PS: 'I think , I guess, I heard... common phrases used by TACO.

"Lucky Guesser", as in my typical username on websites was taken so I spent a whopping 30 seconds coming up with some light irony given it's an engineering website. If you are reduced to attacking my username, please reconsider your life's decisions.

I think, I guess, I heard, all phrases commonly used by everyone who speaks English, get over yourself.
 
3DDave, as engineer, I'd think you'd be more familiar with the challenges associated with differences in data collection methodology. You're comparing non-standardized data and assuming it has meaning.

I trust your an intelligent person but here we go with that compartmentalization issue

And WK, not being able to say his name shows an inability to face reality. TDS, I think they call it.



Anyways, the AF determines what standards AF1 must meet therefore there are two paths to completion. Alter the plane to meet existing standards or alter the standards to allow the plane to become compliant. Maybe some combination of both will be the reality.

It's possible the AF doesn't trust Boeing's standards anymore after the 737 Max debacle where Boeing told the FAA what the plane needed to be. Now the AF has an improved 747 and isn't going to let Boeing tell them what it needs to be.
 
Apparently Conservative news is entirely incapable of doing any investigative reporting where thousands of deaths get reviewed and relatives interviewed to show that the more than 1 MILLION people who died from Covid actually died from anything else, in excess of the deaths in the years leading up to the pandemic.

Per the CDC Physician’s Handbook on Medical Certification of Death

The cause-of-death section has two parts. The first part is for reporting the sequence of events leading to death, starting with the final disease or condition resulting in death and working backwards to the underlying cause. Each condition in Part I should cause the condition above it. A specific cause of death should be reported in the last entry in Part Iso no ambiguity exists about the etiology of this cause. Other significant conditions that contributed to the death, but did not lead to the underlying cause, should be reported in Part II.

Call Tucker Carlson - I'm sure he'll pounce on it.

Trump got the sniffles and they rushed him to Walter Reed for advanced anti-viral treatment. He's had the flu before and didn't need an evacuation for immediate medical help then. Herman Cain - did he die of a food allergy? Were both on Death's doorstep about to fall in before the infection?

lucky - there's no way I believe you. Doctors, nurses, medical research staff - did not conspire for the sole purpose of forcing people to wear masks and stand a few feet apart. They were too busy working double shifts and trying to deal with a huge influx of patients suffocating as their lungs were ravaged by the virus.

On the other hand with one nearly $1 Billion dollar judgement already found against them and another working its way to a similar conclusion, it's clear that conservative outlets do, in fact, lie and their motive is to sell pillows, prepper packages, gold coins, and boner pills.
 
I wonder if the QCAA is trying to get their foot in the door as a regulatory agency with a bit less inertia than the FAA to advance modernization. What better advertising than to provide a civilian aircraft able to be certified as AF1?
 
3DDave, as engineer, I'd think you'd be more familiar with the challenges associated with differences in data collection methodology. You're comparing non-standardized data and assuming it has meaning.

I trust your an intelligent person but here we go with that compartmentalization issue

And WK, not being able to say his name shows an inability to face reality. TDS, I think they call it.



Anyways, the AF determines what standards AF1 must meet therefore there are two paths to completion. Alter the plane to meet existing standards or alter the standards to allow the plane to become compliant. Maybe some combination of both will be the reality.

It's possible the AF doesn't trust Boeing's standards anymore after the 737 Max debacle where Boeing told the FAA what the plane needed to be. Now the AF has an improved 747 and isn't going to let Boeing tell them what it needs to be.
Lucky Guesser, Industrial... whoever You are... Not aviation/aerospace FOR SURE...TACO is unworthy of respect.... but he is the most dangerous president in history. he has imaginary clue cards.

And I have worked as an aero enginerd for the USAF since 1983... weirdly across the USAF on 2-jobs over seas. It is mind boggling complex. SO I have handful of real-world clue cards about how things work across the USAF. Your MAGA-web-words match the smell of extended BS that I have heard from vendors and sellers and speculators and uninformed civilians over the decades. What you say about aircraft/aviation/warfare lacks reality, continuity and alignment with the world I live in.

PS... I was the son of a USAF officer who flew and built/worked on into his early 90's... I grew-up in aviation and the USAF... and my branch the Army. But once again I have to remind myself... The rest of us are wrestling with a Pig in Mud... You love sending sparks out to see what stings and what starts fires. I suspect You are probably NOT actually an American engineer working ship issues.
 
Lucky Guesser, Industrial... whoever You are... Not aviation/aerospace FOR SURE...TACO is unworthy of respect.... but he is the most dangerous president in history. he has imaginary clue cards.

And I have worked as an aero enginerd for the USAF since 1983... weirdly across the USAF on 2-jobs over seas. It is mind boggling complex. SO I have handful of real-world clue cards about how things work across the USAF. Your MAGA-web-words match the smell of extended BS that I have heard from vendors and sellers and speculators and uninformed civilians over the decades. What you say about aircraft/aviation/warfare lacks reality, continuity and alignment with the world I live in.

PS... I was the son of a USAF officer who flew and built/worked on into his early 90's... I grew-up in aviation and the USAF... and my branch the Army. But once again I have to remind myself... The rest of us are wrestling with a Pig in Mud... You love sending sparks out to see what stings and what starts fires. I suspect You are probably NOT actually an American engineer working ship issues.

Aerospace is not my area expertise, which if you had read closely you would have seen that I never commented on anything aerospace related.

So as far as our professions are considered, I stayed well within my lane. You trying to make judgments as to my qualifications based on this thread is completely unfounded.

I agree that accepting the new aircraft does make for pretty terrible optics. And with the time it will take to get it into service (if at all), it would seem that the whole project is quite a waste of time and money. So as far as the actual purpose of the thread, we are largely in agreement.

I take issue people blaming one person they don't like for a global phenomenon that originated in a different country, and realistically there's very little they could have done about it, and then buying in wholeheartedly into what are clearly garbage statistics on the issue.

Unlike some people here, I'm capable of looking at things one issue at a time, I agree with you on one and disagree on another. I am not a cultist ideologue merely opposing every action that a particular person makes.

By all means, attack me and my qualifications that are a completely separate issue, it does an excellent job representing who you are as a person.
 
And I have worked as an aero enginerd for the USAF since 1983... weirdly across the USAF on 2-jobs over seas. It is mind boggling complex. SO I have handful of real-world clue cards about how things work across the USAF.


Too open to be involved in classified projects but too vague of a description to mean anything. Are you a bureaucrat?
 
Too open to be involved in classified projects but too vague of a description to mean anything. Are you a bureaucrat?
A bureaucrat? REALLY? NO. An experienced design, liaison, field service, depot maintenance enginerd... who has seen/experienced a lot of crazy and cosmic stuff; and worked with a huge variety individual souls... men and women... saints, citizens, criminals, devils... working together.

AND I've had security clearance(s), continuous, since 1976.
Security Clearance = "Noblesse Oblige” ["Nobility obligates"] = "With great privilege/power comes great responsibility" [modern].

'I've seen, cried the blind man'... AMEN ['I Believe']
 

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