## MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

## MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

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Can we calculate the load current for Sizing the Busbar and incomer breaker with Motor Shaft power? Process and Mechanical Team have given us the motor Shaft power. Can I use this data instead of the Rated Power of the motor to calculate the Current and size of the Breaker? Please advise.

## RE: MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

" Can we calculate the load current for Sizing the Busbar and incomer breaker with Motor Shaft power? Process and Mechanical Team have given us the motor Shaft power. Can I use this data instead of the Rated Power of the motor to calculate the Current and size of the Breaker? Please advise."1. No. " Motor Shaft power " is the motor [output power] needed in (kW) to drive the mechanical load.

2. The [electrical input] to the motor in (kVA) > Motor Shaft power in (kW). This is due to the (power-factor) and (efficiency) of any motor are always < 1. e.g. pf=0.8 and eff=0.9...

3. If the breaker and busbar is supplying only

onemotor, is shall be at least sized to say >1.25 of the calculated kVA. Refer to local regulation which may differ depending on IEC or NEC applicable at the location.4. However, if the breaker and busbar is supplying [a group of motors], they can be < than the total [sum of the Motor Shaft power] in (kW). This is taking into consideration that NOT all the motors are loaded continuously to the maximum (kW) at the same time. Refer to local regulation which may differ depending on IEC or NEC applicable at the location.

Che Kuan Yau (Singapore)

## RE: MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

Motor A : Rated power 3kW, Shaft Power 2.6kW

Motor B : Rated power 15kW, Shaft Power 12.8kW

Motor C : Rated power 37kW, Shaft Power 32.8kW

All motors are on continuous duty. 400V, 0.85 PF

in This case for Sizing the MCC Bus and Shaft Power, Can I use Shaft power (Actual required power) for Calculation Circuit overall current and Size the Circuit Breaker?

Procedure 1: Sizing the Circuit Breaker using Shaft PowerOverall Shaft power = 48.2kW

Load Current = (48.2x1000)/ (1.732x400x0.85) = 81.8A

Size of Circuit Breaker = 1.25 x 81.8A =

102.25AT / 160AFProcedure 2: Sizing the Circuit Breaker using Rated PowerOverall Rated power = 55kW

Load Current = (55x1000)/ (1.732x400x0.85) = 93.4A

Size of Circuit Breaker = 1.25 x 93.4A =

116.75AT / 160AFI have been doing Procedure 2. But some of my colleagues told me to follow Procedure 1. Please advise if I can use Procedure 1?

in the given example the number of loads is less. But in reality, we have more loads so I get a significant amount of difference in Load Current when I use these two Procedures.

## RE: MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

"....#1. I have been doing Procedure 2. But some of my colleagues told me to follow Procedure 1. Please advise if I can use Procedure 1? .... #2....in the given example the number of loads is less. But in reality, we have more loads so I get a significant amount of difference in Load Current when I use these two Procedures...."#1. Your procedure 1 is based on "overall Shaft power" and arrived at [load current] 81.8A with pf=0.85 is incomplete. You have to consider the efficiency factor say (0.9 ?). See my post dated 17th instant Your procedure 2 is based on "Overall Rated power" and arrived at [load current] 93.4A with pf=0.85 is also incomplete. You have to consider the efficiency factor say (0.9 ?). See my post dated 17th instant.

# 2. In reality a MCC would have more loads. You have to refer to the [local regulation/law] which differ; depending on

IECorNECthat is applicable at the location.Che Kuan Yau (Singapore)

## RE: MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

Thanks for your reply. What I want to understand is, Can use Shaft power for sizing incoming breakers? I mean the

consumed power = Shaft power/efficiencyCan I use this consumed power of a number of loads for calculating the incomer breaker current? or do I need to use the rated power of the motors to calculate the current? Thanks.## RE: MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

".... What I want to understand is, Can use Shaft power for sizing incoming breakers? I mean the consumed power = Shaft power/efficiency Can I use this consumed power of a number of loads for calculating the incomer breaker current? or do I need to use the rated power of the motors to calculate the current? ...."1. Your [ consumed power]* is the [ mechanical load power in (kW) at

100%loading].2. Your [ rated power of the motor in (kW) ]** is > [ consumed power]. This is the usual case taking possible "short time over-load" into consideration or that is the next higher standard kW size.

3. Based on above [ ]* and [ ]** ; the breaker and busbar shall be based on [ ]** i.e. taking care of possible over-loading.

4. Attention: The breaker and busbar may be <

sumof all [ ]** . You have to refer to the [local regulation/law] which differ; depending onIECorNECthat is applicable at the location.Che Kuan Yau (Singapore)

## RE: MCC Bus and Incomer Breaker Sizing

The breaker could be whatever you want, there is only a maximum on that. Go too small though and you won't be able to start the motors or will get trips randomly.