×
INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here

Modifications to existing structures
3

Modifications to existing structures

Modifications to existing structures

(OP)
On occasion I have been asked by clients to perform minor modifications to their existing structures and during the analysis have found that sometimes the existing structures do not provide sufficient capacity (from a design standpoint) to safely account for existing loads (not including proposed modifications).  It is often very difficult to explain to the client that if you designed the proposed modifications they would include major modifications to an existing structure that has been working fine for the last thirty years.

Does anyone know of a good commentary, textbook or paper that presents this situation in common everyday terms that would be helpful in explaining this situation to clients.
Replies continue below

Recommended for you

RE: Modifications to existing structures

3
Jeff,
This is a problem we all have to wrestle with from time to time.  All a matter of client education.  I don't know of any short and sweet text that addresses it but I'll throw out what I usually tell them....

Building Codes evolve from necessity and experience.  The codes are presented as minimum requirements necessary to protect the health, safety, and welfare of the public, and yes, it is "one size fits all".  Because a building has been performing adequately for 30 years does not mean it would perform adequately if subject even to its own design criteria.  It usually only means that the building has not been subjected to its design limits.  Fortunately, most buildings are never subjected to these limits and we should be thankful for that.  If our buildings, given the current state of construction, were continually subjected to their design limits, we would likely see lots of failures.

The second thing we have to consider is that, as engineers, we are licensed to protect the health, safety, and welfare of the public.  This is not true of building owners, developers, or contractors.  Our duty to the public is greater, and thus our liability for breach of this duty is higher.  We must, therefore, yield to our Standard of Care, which is that we must use the same level of care in our practice that reasonable professionals practicing in the area under the same or similar conditions would use.  This simply means that we must use reasonable care in our practice and to subvert the evolution of the code process by not informing the owner that we have a duty to comply is a violation of our ethics and our laws of practice.

The third issue, and the one that usually gets an owner's attention, is that our professional liability does not cover us if we willfully breach our standard of care.

None of this prevents us from being innovative.  Innovation occurs when there is no other valid limitation or guideline behind which we can be adjudged negligent if the result is a failure.  Accepting a structure without assessing its compliance with reasonable standards and offering solutions and attempts to meet these evolve criteria, does not constitute innovation.  It often constitutes negligence.

RE: Modifications to existing structures

Tremendous Ron!  I am printing that response out now so as to reference later and to pass along to all young engineers.

Thanks for taking the time to share a well thought out address to a complex question yet one so commonplace.

RE: Modifications to existing structures

Thanks Q...I occasionally have a lucid moment!

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members! Already a Member? Login



News


Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close