Advice on a lever weld design
Advice on a lever weld design
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Advice please,
I designed a 4 piece lever weldment and a shop guy complained that it's too many pieces to keep square.
At my pass company, we always just bolted the pieces together, but this places likes welding.
Anyone with welding experience?
I designed a 4 piece lever weldment and a shop guy complained that it's too many pieces to keep square.
At my pass company, we always just bolted the pieces together, but this places likes welding.
Anyone with welding experience?





RE: Advice on a lever weld design
I am not kidding. Some years ago, I designed a box structure made of square steel tubing, and had the ends milled square and beveled for welding, in a milling machine, before sending it to the welding department.
The resulting assembled box could be seen to be out of square from across a football field.
I went to the welding department to find out how they could possibly have screwed up that badly.
They had a $5000 heliarc machine, and a $3000 welding platen, and ... nothing else. They didn't have a single dog for the platen, or a c-clamp, or any kind of square.
Apparently the welding department employees had stolen everything they could carry home, and the supervisor did nothing about that, and had the nerve to tell me with a straight face that they had assembled my stuff by holding the carefully prepared parts together by hand while tacking them, and then proceeded to weld them fully even though they could see they weren't square. Had they called me before striking an arc, I would have found them some tooling.
We outsourced our welding after that.
Since there was thus no need for a welding department, we bid those assholes adieu.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
RE: Advice on a lever weld design
... which is a fancy way of saying the piece parts can have features like tabs and slots that tend to hold them together, so minimal or no fixtures are required to keep them in proper alignment.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
RE: Advice on a lever weld design
Have a serious "talk" with this welder. Be polite. But he is wrong. Dead wrong. Might be incompetent, might just be untrained. Might have no suppliers, or has been told that it is "unmanly" or wimpy to use clamps and magnets and straps and jigs. But he needs some education.
At a cheap Harbor Freight, Tractor Supply Hardware store, Northern Tools, Fastenal, Enco, ....
RE: Advice on a lever weld design
I'll second the pre-machined aids though. Tabs or keys can go a long way in speeding up a welder, but they will usually still need to set them up against a square or with magnets if it is a piece to be made with a manner of precision.
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RE: Advice on a lever weld design
It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all.
RE: Advice on a lever weld design
it is better outsourced,and no need for a welding department
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RE: Advice on a lever weld design