new to welding processes and procedures
new to welding processes and procedures
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Need a little help. Anyway I am wanting to get my cwi. I have over twenty years experience in welding, in the retail field. I can weld or at least stick something together, but never learned the processes of welding. It all seems kind of Greek to me at this point. I'm currently working in the petroleum industry
and have decided to take the API1104. I guess I'm looking for the best starting point. I have purchased some materials from an individual that has taken the Hobart training, less partb, API1104 partc, some practice exams, and ndt symbols. I also purchased a vintage 1980 model cert. manual for welding inspectors, which I'm concerned whether was the right move since there have been revisions made to this book, but it was only 19.99 and I'm on a tight budget. So if any one can advise me on that issue as well I would sincerely appreciate it.
and have decided to take the API1104. I guess I'm looking for the best starting point. I have purchased some materials from an individual that has taken the Hobart training, less partb, API1104 partc, some practice exams, and ndt symbols. I also purchased a vintage 1980 model cert. manual for welding inspectors, which I'm concerned whether was the right move since there have been revisions made to this book, but it was only 19.99 and I'm on a tight budget. So if any one can advise me on that issue as well I would sincerely appreciate it.
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
The CWI is a major investment in terms of time and money, but it is a life changing experience for most people. Don’t short change yourself or your future.
Good luck.
Best regards - Al
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
I like the AWS seminar, but success hinges on the attendee coming prepared. They should read as much as possible ahead of the class. You mentioned you are reading older materials. There is nothing wrong with that, just recognize that the technology and terminology changes over time. It your books are too old their use is of limited value, but I’m not saying they are of no value.
The presumption of the AWS seminar is that the attendee has been working in the industry for several years. AWS is very generous with what they consider to be qualifying experience. If the attendee does not have the appropriate back ground it does not mean they have little opportunity to pass the examinations. Hat it does mean is they are going to have to study harder than someone that has a well-rounded back ground in welding and testing.
Few people have a back ground in welding that includes experience in design, welding, inspection, and nondestructive testing. However, the study materials provided at the AWS seminar includes all the materials necessary to reinforce your weaknesses. Study is the key to can passing the examination. The key to success is to study as much as possible before the seminar so you are not overwhelmed by new information. Once you are in attendance, study all the materials, do all the home work as it is assigned and don’t fall behind.
Here’s a practices that typical spell disaster for many people attending the AWS seminar:
Spend time at the local watering hole,
Bring your wife or best pal to the seminar,
Watch TV while studying,
Study in groups or with coworkers for the first few evenings,
Put off studying until “later,” after all, you have four or five days to catch up (no you don’t!).
Drive to class every day to save a few dollars on hotel room and meals. (You need all the study time you can muster. An extra hour a day driving is six hours of study time lost.),
Down a couple of brews after class just to loosen up a little. (Would you believe I have never had a welder pass a qualification test after drinking one or two beers! I used to take welders out to lunch when they tested at my laboratory until I recognized the correlation between the one or two beers for lunch and the failure rate. The same holds true when preparing for an examination, you need a clear head to study.),
Attend class with the attitude that you already know the subject matter,
Don’t participate in class discussions (you wouldn’t want to look silly would you?), or
Work on homework assignments during the class (Really? Do you really think you have the subject matter mastered to the point where you can't learn something by listening to the discussions?),
I hate to make generalizations, but here goes anyway. The two groups of people that seem to have the poorest pass rate on the CWI examinations seem to be engineers and welding instructors. I have my suppositions as to why, but I’ll keep my opinion on that subject to myself.
Best regards - Al
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
Well done gtaw, more clear? no way. In addition, I want to suggest to larry329 that when the time comes, go to this link http://www.bpvinspector.com/, and exploits that information as much as he can, particularly in my humble opinion, the "ASME Interpretations" and "Training Materials".
By the way, the link aforementioned was posted in other forum of Eng-Tips by SectionIX.
El que no puede andar, se sienta.
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
Thanks also 20121956, I will check it out.
Another thing I.was curious about, is anyone was familiar with son set consultants? I had considered their online course, mainly because I'm in a temporary job where I could take the course while I work. Just didn't know.if it would be worth 500$ or if money be better spend once I got laid off to take a live seminar.
Thanks again guys
Larry
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
I referred a colleague to their site (http://weld-procedure.com/home.html) based on what I read in the thread. He had already passed the open book code CWI seminar but not the Fundamentals - so he signed up for the Fundamentals. While it did not cover all questions in his exam, he found it helpful for about 80 percent of the questions. Many of the questions are very similar to those in the AWS WIT-W and CM.
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
So you mention the WIT-W, is that the work book? Do you also have to purchase a hard back to go along with this? I have the Certification Manual ordered, at least the early model. Just trying to get the best use of my time. I am getting paid to study, might as well make good use of it.
Thanks again
Larry
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
I'm taking AWS seminar and exam, starting 1 week from today. Feel real good except this one little hiccup. Need to work on the addendum A and B for API 1104, it is a little like greek as well.
Any help would be appreciated
Larry
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
If I understand this at all, it seems as the concern is with the smaller discont. and not the larger ones, or at least not the sum of the larger ones.
Larry
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
Thanks
Larry
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
The Part B Book of Specifications used for the AWS CWI examination is a "make believe" welding specification. It is a total fabrication composed of parts of other standards, i.e., ASME, AWS, etc., that has been changed or tweaked.
The intent is to separate those candidates that respond to question based on what they are familiar with and those that take the time to look up the requirements in the applicable welding standard. The goal is to reinforce the fact that few people can memorize any welding standard. Inspectors that fail to refer back to the welding standard are doing themselves and their clients a disservice. The Part B examination requires the person to read the question and find the appropriate response in the "Part B Book of Specifications" Those people that short circuit the "system" by answering the question based on their memory will fail the examination.
Do not try to make sense of the "Part B Book of Specifications", it is a make believe welding standard.
Best regards - Al
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
Best regards - Al
RE: new to welding processes and procedures
Sounds crazy, but I'll take it and do the best with it. I think I know it well enough and with another week to study and the AWS seminar week, I think I'll be good. I'm still a little anxious, I'm counting on passing it the first time. The possibility of having to take part of it again and having to wait for 6 weeks or longer for another exam is a little frightening as I'm unemployed right now. I wonder why the can't give you your results a little sooner?
Anyone tested to API 1104 lately? How was the code book test? Was there a lot of questions out of the Addendum A and B. That seems to give me the most trouble. I'm in the process of learning it and highlighting some hard to find information. The Addendum A in particular is a little difficult to understand.
Also, anyone taking the part B exam lately, are the samples still beat up and pencil gouged like they used to be or have they moved past that?
Thanks
Larry