Can fluid pressure be overcome
Can fluid pressure be overcome
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If I have a tank of water 230 feet deep, and I have an open bottom barrel at the bottom that I want to fill with air, and I am pumping the air directly from the outside of the tank at the bottom (direct source of air so that I don't have to have 230' of hose to get to the bottom), I know that I need to be pumping the air at 100 psi to overcome the water pressure.
Can the pressure needed to pump the air be reduced by sealing the tank???
Example: A 2 liter bottle of water turned upside down; the water will come out unless the opening makes contact with another body of water. Because the bottle is sealed at the top, the surface tension of the water is enough to stop the flow of the water.
Finally what laws and equations can I use to determine this???
Thanks
Can the pressure needed to pump the air be reduced by sealing the tank???
Example: A 2 liter bottle of water turned upside down; the water will come out unless the opening makes contact with another body of water. Because the bottle is sealed at the top, the surface tension of the water is enough to stop the flow of the water.
Finally what laws and equations can I use to determine this???
Thanks
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
If you do the same experiment with a tube of mercury, about 33 inches will remain in the tube when you invert the tube. In this case, the pressure above the mercury is a vacuum (except for the vapor pressure of the mercury). The 33 inches of mercury = the pressure exerted by the atmosphere.
So, back to your question, you'll still need 100 psi to pump air into that barrel.
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
Is this for some type of real-world application ??? If so, please explain......
You are not trying to take advantage of us ......are you ??
MJC
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
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Mogens
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
Now as to your question to whether this is for a real world application, yes, absolutely. Problem is, that the idea is so delicate that I can't reveal the whole idea. I wish the world was perfect and I could divulge all, but I can't. All I can do is carefully figure out how to word a question as to not give away too much and hope that I worded it properly as to be understood.
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome
A ten cubic foot open bottom barrel full of water at the bottom of a 230' sillo full of water. An air compressor at the base of the silo to fill the 3 cubic foot barrel. The air comp. will pump 3 cubic ft of air per minute at 100 psi (per manufacturer spec. sheet). I know that at 230', the water pressure is approx. 100psi. So theoretically, it should take 1 minute to displace 3cf of water.
Now, if I seal the silo and put a one way valve at the top to allow excess air pressure to escape but not to enter, will this change the amount of pressure required by the air compressor to pump that same 3 cf of air? (I think your answer above indicates that it would take less than 100 psi)
I hope that it's not a problem that I am not an engineer, nor am I doing this for some corporation. But I do have a huge thirst for learning and knowing that which is unknown to me, or at the very least puzzles me. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this.
Anyway, thank you for your input and help, it is greatly appreciated.
RE: Can fluid pressure be overcome