Best way to model an underdrain?
Best way to model an underdrain?
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I am wondering about the best way to model a pond underdrain. The set up I am thinking of would involve a perforated pipe buried in gravel at the bottom of the pond, connected to an outlet riser and culvert. There are a few ways that I could see this modeled:
1)The “model everything approach” i.e. model the perforations as orifices which are routed to the pipe, which is then routed to the final outlet structure. I am usually dealing with existing infrastructure, and the level of detail required to model this accurately is usually not available. Also I have learnt that it is generally better not to make the model any more complicated than absolutely necessary.
2)Alternately, I could assume that the perforations will not be a limiting factor and simply model the underdrain as a single small orifice in the outlet riser. This begs the question about what the size of my orifice should be - the diameter of the perforated pipe? I have seen a couple models where a reduced orifice size was used, but I am unsure about how that size was reached.
3)The most common approach I have seen, however, is to completely ignore the underdrain when modeling ponds, which is not something I am exactly comfortable with.
Your assistance is much appreciated.
1)The “model everything approach” i.e. model the perforations as orifices which are routed to the pipe, which is then routed to the final outlet structure. I am usually dealing with existing infrastructure, and the level of detail required to model this accurately is usually not available. Also I have learnt that it is generally better not to make the model any more complicated than absolutely necessary.
2)Alternately, I could assume that the perforations will not be a limiting factor and simply model the underdrain as a single small orifice in the outlet riser. This begs the question about what the size of my orifice should be - the diameter of the perforated pipe? I have seen a couple models where a reduced orifice size was used, but I am unsure about how that size was reached.
3)The most common approach I have seen, however, is to completely ignore the underdrain when modeling ponds, which is not something I am exactly comfortable with.
Your assistance is much appreciated.
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
2 and 3 are flat-out wrong, and I would reject calcs with either of those suppositions.
Does the pipe have a filter fabric around it? It should, and if it does, the permittivity of that will limit. That will be available in the filter fabric produce specs, although you will need some unit conversions.
The "gravel" - depending on its gradation - should also limit, more than the perforations. Standard permeabilities are readily available; again, will require some unit conversion.
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RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
Device#1=Culvert, routing = primary
Device#2=Orifice (top of riser), routing = device#1
Device#3=Culvert (underdrain pipe), routing = device#1
Device#4=Orifice (perforation), routing = device#3
Device#5=Filter fabric (?), routing = device#4
Note the "chain" of devices for the underdrain. 5->4->3->1
The pipe performations could be modeled as an orifice array (to allow for varying heights) or perhaps a single orifice with an appropriate multiplier.
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
You can certainly make adjustments to the model to get a better simulation of what is actually observed. For example, you can simulate the standing pool by setting the outlet device above the bottom of the "pond".
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
But this still begs the question, why do you need to model the long-term dewatering? As you point out, this is hard to predict, and may vary considerably. In terms of stormwater runoff, you can assume best case (complete dewatering between events) or worst case (permanent pool) depending on the overall design issues.
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?
RE: Best way to model an underdrain?