Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here




in ne nastran how do i model different parts and then assemble  them. like in abaqus u create different parts and then in assembly module u create an instance and assemble the model. is there a way i can follow this method in nastran?

RE: assembly

FEMAP operates on properties and materials, not really "groups" as you might see in a CAD file.  You basically install the entire assembly, whatever it may be, into FEMAP and mesh the assembly with each part being a different "property" and/or "material".  You associate the mesh with a particular property and material either during the meshing process, or you may change it by updating the mesh to a new property and/or material.

For instance, if I bring in an FE model from another software package, it will have groups that FEMAP understand and it will characterize those groups as "properties" and "materials".  Look up "Create Group" in the FEMAP documentation and it will tell you how to group the different properties for visualization, but this does not alter the (virtual) physical characteristics.  You may also select individual elements or entire groups and update their properties and/or materials.

Hope this gets you headed in the right direction.

Garland E. Borowski, PE

RE: assembly

So does it mean that i would have to create the entire assembly in one goup and not part wise and then assemble it?

RE: assembly

It depends on how many parts you have, and how many people are doing the work.

If you have a reasonable complex project, with more than thirty parts, you may want to develop some modeling guidelines.  Things to consider are 1) nodes from different parts lining up, 2) the consistent resolution of details (curves, holes, thickness changes, etc), and 3) the fastening of the different parts.  Also, detailed models of multiple, assembled parts don’t make much practical sense due to the large volume of output and the run times required.  You may want to divide the assembly into sub assemblies based on loaded area.  Or, develop a total assembly model using a reasonably coarse grid with the ability to transfer internal loads from the coarse model to detailed models of the parts.

Also, if you have a lot of parts to assemble, you may want to generate the part finite element models programmatically, in case you have to change some of your guidelines.   Pick an area of your assembly with five to ten parts in multiple planes, connected with different types of fasteners, in order to evaluate/develop the modeling guidelines.

RE: assembly

actually its a simple assembly.not a complicated one.what i was thinking was to tie the nodes of the different parts.how do i tie the nodes in nastran?

RE: assembly

There are two reasons to "tie nodes."  One reason is to transfer loads from one part to the next, in which case you could use a rigid element, possibly with some of the rotation degrees of freedom released.  A second reason is to evaluate the stresses internal to the fastener (bolt, weld, rivet, surface contact, etc), in which case you make a appropriate finite element model from beam and/or solid elements.

In summary, to tie the nodes, use rigid elements if you just want to transfer load, or use bolt / solid elements if you are concerned about the failure of the fastner.

RE: assembly

i always thought the significance of tying nodes is to force the 2 nodes to behave in the same fashion..isnt there a direct tie option in nastran? thanks for your patience.

RE: assembly

No, there is no feature in NE_Nastran/FEMAP similar to the assembly module in Abaqus.  You can connect parts together by simply using common nodes or by connecting individual pairs of coincident nodes with MPC's or rigid elements.  You should not try to connect groups of nodes with rigid elements unless you have a very good and detailed understanding of how rigid elements work and their effect on the model - they are easily misused and can add excessive and unrealistic stiffness to the model.

RE: assembly

In FEMAP, there is automatic generation of "tie" elements (rigid or beam) under mesh/connection.  I've used closest link with some success, but you have to review the connected nodes.

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members! Already a Member? Login


eBook - The Future of Product Development is Here
Looking to make the design and manufacturing of your products more agile? For engineering and manufacturing organizations, the need for digital transformation of product development processes just became more urgent than ever so we wanted to share an eBook that will help you build a practical roadmap for your journey. Download Now

Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close