eric294yz
Structural
- Sep 2, 2008
- 7
Hello all, looking for some input from my fellow engineers regarding wood deck anchorage in areas with high snow loads. My questions are arising as I have been asked by a client to look in detail to these requirements. Upon looking in detail, and applying the building code (as interpreted) by the letter of the law, I do not believe elevated wood framed decks in high snow load areas are "buildable" by standard practices that have been used by contractors and engineers in this area for decades!
I am an engineer who works in the Lake Tahoe, California area where we can have design ground snow loads above 400 psf. For elevated wood decks, above the "anticipated snow depth" per ASCE 7-10, I design my vertical deck framing members for the flat roof snow load + any drift loading requirements based on building geometry. The issue I'm now coming across is the design of the deck for lateral loads. CRC (California Residential Code = International Residential Code w/ Amendments) Section R5074.1 requires deck to be designed for vertical and lateral loads. There are "conventional" anchorage designs in this section for lateral loads; however, since we are located in area of ground snow greater than 50 psf, all residential design must be engineered and cannot follow conventional timber construction standards per the CRC. Therefore, I turn to ASCE 7-10 to generate by lateral design loads....
Per ACSE 7-10, 20% of the flat roof design snow load shall be considered in lateral seismic calculations. If I use ASCE 7-10 Sec. 13.3 with Table 13.5-1 using "Other Flexible Components of High Deformability" with Rp=3.5, I can generate very large seismic loads on the deck on the order of 50 psf or more.
Now lets take a 10'x20' deck for example, the total lateral load to design for is (50psf)(10')(20')=10,000#. Say the 20' length is the side adjacent the building, therefore the linear shear demand (assuming cantilevered design) is 10,000#/20' = 500 plf. Per the 2012 NDS SDPWS, horizontally sheathed 2x decking has a capacity of only 50 plf. Therefore, we need to provide diagonal strapping to create a "diaphragm" to transfer load back to the primary building structure. Our total diagonal strap load will be 1.41*10,000=14,100#. Using Simpson CMST16 strap (capacity = 4,545#), we would need four (4) straps in each direction, eight (8) total....Then comes the next problem, how do you anchor each one of these straps back into the building to transfer that load to the primary building frame????
I've attached a couple details I worked up (that I think are insane and would quickly put any rational engineer out of business in a hurry) but I would like to get other thoughts on how you would engineer an elevated wood framed deck, anchored to wood framed structure with wood shear walls.... Thoughts?
I am an engineer who works in the Lake Tahoe, California area where we can have design ground snow loads above 400 psf. For elevated wood decks, above the "anticipated snow depth" per ASCE 7-10, I design my vertical deck framing members for the flat roof snow load + any drift loading requirements based on building geometry. The issue I'm now coming across is the design of the deck for lateral loads. CRC (California Residential Code = International Residential Code w/ Amendments) Section R5074.1 requires deck to be designed for vertical and lateral loads. There are "conventional" anchorage designs in this section for lateral loads; however, since we are located in area of ground snow greater than 50 psf, all residential design must be engineered and cannot follow conventional timber construction standards per the CRC. Therefore, I turn to ASCE 7-10 to generate by lateral design loads....
Per ACSE 7-10, 20% of the flat roof design snow load shall be considered in lateral seismic calculations. If I use ASCE 7-10 Sec. 13.3 with Table 13.5-1 using "Other Flexible Components of High Deformability" with Rp=3.5, I can generate very large seismic loads on the deck on the order of 50 psf or more.
Now lets take a 10'x20' deck for example, the total lateral load to design for is (50psf)(10')(20')=10,000#. Say the 20' length is the side adjacent the building, therefore the linear shear demand (assuming cantilevered design) is 10,000#/20' = 500 plf. Per the 2012 NDS SDPWS, horizontally sheathed 2x decking has a capacity of only 50 plf. Therefore, we need to provide diagonal strapping to create a "diaphragm" to transfer load back to the primary building structure. Our total diagonal strap load will be 1.41*10,000=14,100#. Using Simpson CMST16 strap (capacity = 4,545#), we would need four (4) straps in each direction, eight (8) total....Then comes the next problem, how do you anchor each one of these straps back into the building to transfer that load to the primary building frame????
I've attached a couple details I worked up (that I think are insane and would quickly put any rational engineer out of business in a hurry) but I would like to get other thoughts on how you would engineer an elevated wood framed deck, anchored to wood framed structure with wood shear walls.... Thoughts?