thanks for replies,
I will be designing, programmable controller ICs, lots of digital I/O , boards around 300mm square, bridge rectifier, relays, that sort of detail
probably 4 layer at most,
getting mixed vibes on Cadstar, and is does cost. Used it 5 years ago, seemed ok, but that was my first introduction to PCB design,
seeing quite good reports about Easy PC, is around £500.
need to make decision soon, need to crack on with designs