I found a few threads on this but nothing that exactly answered my question. I'm reviewing a design for a CMU building with an untopped precast plank roof.
See the sketch below for a representative diagram.
I often see documents (like the PCI manual) talk about using friction in the joints between the panels to create a 'contiguous' diaphgram when you don't have a topping. I don't understand how this works when you have suction on the walls.
The top of the south wall in my diagram is only connected to the south-most panel. As wind "sucks" it south, it will pull that edge panel away...
See the sketch below for a representative diagram.
I often see documents (like the PCI manual) talk about using friction in the joints between the panels to create a 'contiguous' diaphgram when you don't have a topping. I don't understand how this works when you have suction on the walls.
The top of the south wall in my diagram is only connected to the south-most panel. As wind "sucks" it south, it will pull that edge panel away...
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Anyway, to supplement that discussion, the roof may have a UL rating at which point the keyway may need something in there, possibly concrete. Alternately insulation might be stuffed in that area. I mention this because I started poking around on this topic and ended up here. As far as the tested strength of an untopped plank as a diaphragm, I'm not convinced there's anything formal involving testing. Some engineers may have the planks broken out to interlock them with rebar and site-cast concrete, but I'd question if that actually takes place versus it being on the drawings and nobody inspects for it, particularly in low-seismic areas.
Precast planks, if you ask me, don't get quite as much design attention as a diaphragm outside of the higher seismic areas. It's possible there are other things glued to the roof that would function (without formal documentation or testing) as a diaphragm, i.e. cover boards, insulation boards). You aren't supposed to rely on that for life-safety, but that might be part of the picture of why there isn't a lot of awareness of this loophole/flaw in the designs, particularly in older buildings (say 1990 and prior?). And there's always the "never saw design event" cop out.
For a fair discussion of the background, which wasn't brought up in that thread since it's from 2018 and the NEHRP/NIST guide was fairly new at the time:
NEHRP Seismic Design Technical Brief No. 13, Seismic Design of Precast Concrete Diaphragms: A Guide for Practicing Engineers, Ghosh, Cleland, Naito, Sept 2017.
My sentiment is that NEHRP is more interested in double T (i.e. parking garages) than it is "normal" buildings with precast planks.