title block template = controlled document? 7

[joebk]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes anyway.

I work for a company that is ISO 9001:2000 certified so document control is a big deal. All of our standards/work instruction/etc are controlled according to our ISO system.

Our title block is not currently a controlled document. So our template/title block can be changed without revision. Of course the main template is on the network and is read-only so it cannot be changed easily but it can be modified after a new drawing is created.

I am not sure if it is worth it to control the format of the title block within our document control system or not. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks in advance for your help!

JBK

 

[joebk]

If I could rewrite our ISO manual I would. Our QA department will not allow this. They won't even let our engineering department revise engineering work instructions or forms as needed - we try to do this using the procedures in place for document changes to make sure they are up to date and QA has a fit. I could go on and on about that but I think it is a bit off topic (sorry).

The format of the title block is not automatically changed, it must be manually changed in our system. So existing drawings must be revised to change the title block as you indicate Peter. New drawings would by default have the new title block.

The problem is that we are IMO trying to do the right thing by making the title block a controlled form and the QA department is forcing wasteful ISO practices on us for document/form revisions (which they are unwilling to change). I personally think they like to create ISO busy work to avoid checking parts.

They gave us the option of leaving the title block out of the ISO system so that is what we are going to do short term. Long term, I am going to bring this up at the next management review meeting and see what happens. Should give me enough time to get my ducks in a row.

 

[ewh]

I wish you luck! I would find it very difficult to work for a company that allows this type of bureaucracy.

 

[fcsuper]

Joebk,

Just be clear that it's not an ISO requirement which they are trying to enforce. I wouldn't even call it ISO. Charactorize as internal requirements not derived from ISO.

Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
sw.fcsuper.com
Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group

 

[joebk]

Believe it or not, this is the system that the QA department defined in our ISO system. Yuck.

 

[fcsuper]

Joebk, that's not really what I'm saying. The system appears to be created to be ISO compliant, but they have requirements within the system that are not required by ISO and may actually conflict with it. But you know your system better than me. Good luck!

Matt
CAD Engineer/ECN Analyst
Silicon Valley, CA
sw.fcsuper.com
Co-moderator of Solidworks Yahoo! Group

 

[rjpremo]

Can anyone tell me how Smarteam works with title blocks?

 

[KENAT]

I worked in an ISO (before that it had followed the various military quality standards for years) place in the UK and the drawing format wasn't a form as such. However as I recal a copy of it was in one of our Quality documents.

Change to the format did not require us to change every drawing. For the most part we didnt' even update the format when we went up a rev, especially for the older 'hard copy' drawings not on CAD.

Also we 'held' drawings from various military establishments that weren't even on our own format.

Sounds like QA are making a meal of things.