Texas power issues. Wind farms getting iced up (Part II)... 38

[Alistair_Heaton]

Its honestly not the way the culture is or the way they think. And it goes from the very top to the very bottom. They do plan for all sorts of events, you have to when its -20 C outside. Breaking down in a car can mean death.

But to get to the point that a rather large percentage of the population want to remove themselves from the public utilities because they can't be trusted is rather sad.

 

[davefitz]

I am not sure that the statistics on US covid deaths are reliable, as the testing protocol (PCR) is reportedly unreliable ( overestimating infections) and there is an enormous financial incentive for the US hospitals to claim every death is caused by Covid 19. At some point in the future it will likely be admitted that the entire "crisis" was inaccurately reported and measured.


"...when logic, and proportion, have fallen, sloppy dead..." Grace Slick

 

[JohnRBaker]

I was not aware that the storm that caused all the problem with power outages and gas disruption actually had a name, 'Winter Storm Uri'. Note that I searched this entire thread (not the links just what was posted) and I never found any mention of 'Uri', but that was name given to it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_13–17,_2021_North_American_winter_storm

Anyway, I only mention this because I read that name for the first time in the item below, which covers a situation which brings into perspective how wide spread the storm was and how much damage resulted from it, some which never got a lot of airtime. Now I must note that it's very possible that the owners of this apartment complex in Galveston are simply taking advantage of the situation to evict the tenants and then bring down the building and redevelop the property:

Fertitta-owned Landry's closing Fort Crockett Apartments in Galveston after winter storm damages

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2021/04/05/fertitta-fort-crockett-apartments-galveston.html

For the record, our oldest son works for Tillman Fertitta, who BTW, is originally from Galveston. Our son is a mid-level executive responsible for the offerings of one of Landry's national brand restaurant groups.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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[RedSnake]

Well a bit ironic that the name Uri is hebrew for "God is my light" or "My light, My flame"

BR A



“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[Fischstabchen]

Waross,

Now you are being very disingenuous. Almost every country in the west with pockets of high population densities saw very similar fatality rates per capita. Comparing it to the rest of the world which doesn't have the means to test or is very rural is not an apples to apples comparison. Everyone in europe who wants to talk about how mouth breathers in the U.S. can't be bothered with a mask and how it is all their fault really are overlooking the fact that even what was done in most of europe wasn't close to enough. Wearing a mask is preventative but the cat has been out of the bag for awhile. None of this is going to end at this point with how it has spread without large scale vaccination. Most of this back patting is just people political justification and defense for lockdowns or done with the intent to cover up that their countries vaccination programs are struggling badly with production or sourcing the vaccine. It is really similar with how the spanish flu was blamed on spain when every other country had the same exact problem and needed for political reasons to push ownership of the problem onto someone else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

 

[FacEngrPE]

The 1918 flue had a hugely disruptive impact here. The history has become a bit obscured by the passage of time. My father would have been just entering grade school at the time, so the oral history was a bit thin.

The origin of the Spanish flue is still not clear.

When the Spanish flu hit area By Jim Wood The Register Harold Beckley, West Virginia May 2, 2009 Updated Jul 29, 2014

Attached, The Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Naval Training
Station Hampton Roads and the Norfolk Naval Hospital John G.M. Sharp

 

[waross]

Numbers from MacroTrends show the US as 83% urban and Canada as 80% urban.


Bill
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Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!

 

[JohnRBaker]

I assume of course that this is with respect to the population distribution.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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[Fischstabchen]

Waross,

Canadian population density isn't really the same as in the U.S.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2017/Mar/4mapsexplain.png

 

[Fischstabchen]

FacEngrPE,

I find the theory that it came out of Kansas interesting but not conclusive. At best, it seems like you could guess where it came from based on movement of people, which was much less at the time. One thing that i think people forget is that several epidemics or outbreaks have gone through asia in the last 100 years. It would be easy to conflate the symptoms of something else that spread in asia with[pre][/pre] the spanish flu.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Well, it was called the 'swine flu' and a lot of hogs are raised in Kansas, maybe not as many as Iowa, but still a major producer.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-'Product Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
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UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[dik]

"It has never been clear, however, where this pandemic began. Since influenza is an endemic disease, not simply an epidemic one, it is impossible to answer this question with absolute certainty. Nonetheless, in seven years of work on a history of the pandemic, this author conducted an extensive survey of contemporary medical and lay literature searching for epidemiological evidence – the only evidence available. That review suggests that the most likely site of origin was Haskell County, Kansas, an isolated and sparsely populated county in the southwest corner of the state, in January 1918 [1]. If this hypothesis is correct, it has public policy implications."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/

Our numbers (Canadian) are lower because we are a less populated country and somewhat isolated... our numbers are so high because Trudeau's government did not close things down and treat it as a pandemic... our numbers could have been a lot lower. For current status, catch the link (our worst province used to be below their 40th state):

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...vinces-rank-against-american-states-1.5051033

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[waross]

Comparing population cemters of two jurisdictions, one of which has ten times the population of the other may be misleading.
Yes, Canada does have a smaller population than the US. Canada's population may be even more centered in large urbam areas than the US
That chart may be interpreted to indicate that Canada's population is also concentrated in large urban centers.
Do you realise that Canada's population is concentrated along a narrow strip adjacent to the Canada/US border?
Furthermore, the population is not evenly distributed along that strip but concentrated in large cities with population densities similar to the large cities in the US.
There may be a word for such misinterpretation of graphic data.
Would that word be disingenuous?

Bill
--------------------
Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!

 

[Fischstabchen]

Dik,

The current thinking is that it wasn't Kansas due to it seeming to have been in europe and china in 1917. They don't think it came from China due to it didn't seem to track to places that chinese migrant works traveled. After troops returned from WW1, it was everywhere.

 

[dik]

The source may never be determined... just appears highly likley... that it was taken by troups from Kansas to Europe...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[Fischstabchen]

Dik,

It was only identified in the U.S., which wasn't where the Great War was being fought.

Here is an article indicating a mysterious fatal respiratory disease among english troops in northern france in 1917.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673601562297

https://www.statnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Hammond.1917.purulent.bronchitis.pdf

Here is an article in the Lancet of doctors in 1919 claiming to have seen the exact same disease in France in 1917.

"But once again, and even at the risk of becoming monotonously insistent, we would emphasise our view that in essentials the influenzopneumococcal purulent bronchitis that we and others described in 1916 and 1917 is fundamentally the same condition as the " influenzal pneumonia" of this present
pandemic, and that it is only a matter of degree whether there is "purulent bronchitis," "capillary bronchitis," " broncho-pneumonia "-disseminated in some cases,lobar in distribution in others, multiple abscesses in the lungs, or even gangrene of the lungs. "

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_...year=1919&journal=Lancet&volume=1&pages=:1-11

 

[waross]

Hi Dik.
For every accepted narrative, someone can always find a contrary view, that often downplays known and widely accepted evidence.
Let's take a time out from this discussion.
I'll buy you one in the Pub.
Yours

Bill
--------------------
Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!

 

[davefitz]

the great flu pandemic of 1917-1919 was unusual in some respects. Older people , who were born prior to 1872, were immune to its effects, as they were "innoculated" in 1872 by the great horse flu pandemic of 1872. In 1872, all horses in the USA and canada were immobilized, either dying within 1 week or severely immobilized, by a flu, that likely originated by an avian flu carried by the migration of canadian geese. It spread throughout the USA exactly along the rail corridors where horses were transported by trains. It was so severe that horse drawn trolley cars and fire engines were pulled by immigrants for 1 yr , until the horse population recovered. The US cavalry's war against the Indians was halted for 1 yr as both sides didn't want to fight without horses. The analysis of the flu specimens from 1917 show it was based on the 1872 flu.

The 1917 great war effort included shipping over 1 million horses from the USA to europe on ships, and close to 50% of those horses died of "shipping fever", another name for a contagious horse flu. The 1917 flu likely originated in Kansas USA , and was distributed to US troops at a kansas camp and to europe via the horse shipments.

"...when logic, and proportion, have fallen, sloppy dead..." Grace Slick

 

[davefitz]

here is the scientific presentation for the above comments re: 1918 flu based on 1872 horse flu

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Klc3DPdtk>

titled: genesis of the 1918 spanish influenza epidemic




"...when logic, and proportion, have fallen, sloppy dead..." Grace Slick

 

[electricpete]

I clicked here to post something and thought I was in the wrong thread... that's quite a coronavirus sidetrack. Not that I'm complaining, it's a bit of an omnipresent subject these days, and I have been known to pursue a tangent or two (cough... thousand) of my own on eng-tips.

Some lawmakers in Texas are trying to pin a penalty on renewables: The Texas House of Representatives on Thursday was scheduled to discuss a bill that would force wind and solar plants to pay for grid services essential to keeping supply and demand in balance.

There is of course a bit of pushback.

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