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Texas power issues. Wind farms getting iced up (Part II)... 38
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davidbeach
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But that's the Texas way.
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JohnRBaker
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Case in point, April 17, 2013 in West, Texas (look it up).
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Fischstabchen
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Dik,
if it was unbridled capitalism that was responsible for deaths, why did regulated regions have blackouts and fatalities? Can you also tell me what unbridled capitalism is?
JohnRBaker,
Do you know the result of the investigation into the fertilizer plant explosion you referenced?
"In 2016, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives announced the fire that caused the West Fertilizer Plant Explosion was set intentionally, and there was a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the person or people responsible.
The ATF came to that conclusion after more than 400 interviews and scientific testing at the bureau's Fire Research Laboratory in Maryland."
if it was unbridled capitalism that was responsible for deaths, why did regulated regions have blackouts and fatalities? Can you also tell me what unbridled capitalism is?
JohnRBaker,
Do you know the result of the investigation into the fertilizer plant explosion you referenced?
"In 2016, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives announced the fire that caused the West Fertilizer Plant Explosion was set intentionally, and there was a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the person or people responsible.
The ATF came to that conclusion after more than 400 interviews and scientific testing at the bureau's Fire Research Laboratory in Maryland."
No need to be obtuse... other areas suffer from a similar fatal flaw, and not anywhere near the number of fatalities, deregulation of life threatening issues should not exist... take a gander at Texas... where those in charge are stating that they will help the protagonists to maintain their ill gotten gains. I would suggest that this was unbridled capitalism.
As I noted before... they should be SAPO'd.
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
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Fisch, why did you open that can of worms. Oh... It was JohnRBaker. Don't double down on that.
The problem with the West fertiliser incident is not how it happened, or who done it. The problem is that massive quantity of explosives were stored at the center of town.
YES, JUST LIKE BERUIT LEBANON.
In Lebanon, the government resigned.
In TX, nobody resigned...business as usual.
Results?
West, TX Aftermath
Furthermore the West problem has not been fixed. Trump rolled back the new regulations that would have improved chemical safety across the country, 13 of 19 recommendations of CSB investigation were ignored.
Still there are Questions
There are still unanswered questions about ATF's investigation in last months story from TX Public Radio.
AND ... THE WORST IS
After the explosion, then-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott <yes, he is now Govenor> began writing opinions that allowed the state to deny open records requests for ammonium nitrate facilities. The current AG, Ken Paxton, has continued this practice. The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality said there are 33 sites in Texas today, but denied TPR’s records request for more information on where they are and who operates them.
It would not surprise me in the least if they are using "security against terrorism" and "data protection" as their excuses to keep the nitrate warehouse locations hidden. Widely used tactics to keep the sheets on the bed.
We have meet the enemy and he is us.
Eng-Tips needs to keep that thread OPEN. Where did it go? I can't find it.
The problem with the West fertiliser incident is not how it happened, or who done it. The problem is that massive quantity of explosives were stored at the center of town.
YES, JUST LIKE BERUIT LEBANON.
In Lebanon, the government resigned.
In TX, nobody resigned...business as usual.
Results?
West, TX Aftermath
Furthermore the West problem has not been fixed. Trump rolled back the new regulations that would have improved chemical safety across the country, 13 of 19 recommendations of CSB investigation were ignored.
Still there are Questions
There are still unanswered questions about ATF's investigation in last months story from TX Public Radio.
AND ... THE WORST IS
After the explosion, then-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott <yes, he is now Govenor> began writing opinions that allowed the state to deny open records requests for ammonium nitrate facilities. The current AG, Ken Paxton, has continued this practice. The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality said there are 33 sites in Texas today, but denied TPR’s records request for more information on where they are and who operates them.
It would not surprise me in the least if they are using "security against terrorism" and "data protection" as their excuses to keep the nitrate warehouse locations hidden. Widely used tactics to keep the sheets on the bed.
We have meet the enemy and he is us.
Eng-Tips needs to keep that thread OPEN. Where did it go? I can't find it.
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Fischstabchen, my comment about West, Texas had NOTHING to do with the cause of the explosion but rather the fact that Texas zoning laws, or I should say the lack there of, allowed a fertilizer plant, which was known to be storing potentially explosive materials, to coexist next to a school and a nursing home. As was the case in Houston, and suburbs like Katy, where the non-existent zoning laws allowed both commercial and residential development on bottom lands that was known to flood on a regular basis, like what happened after Hurricane Harvey.
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
Zoning laws are a can of worms in themselves, and are of a concern.
I have seen laws that don't allow a bar to be within some distance of a school. But miss applied where a school district had purchased land, years ago for some future project. A person wanted to build a bar, but was turned down because the school district owned the land that was too close.
To me the same law should be applied that would turned down a school to be built if it were too close to a bar. Who ever builds first should be allowed.
So the zoning is a problem and subjective.
I have seen laws that don't allow a bar to be within some distance of a school. But miss applied where a school district had purchased land, years ago for some future project. A person wanted to build a bar, but was turned down because the school district owned the land that was too close.
To me the same law should be applied that would turned down a school to be built if it were too close to a bar. Who ever builds first should be allowed.
So the zoning is a problem and subjective.
Fischstabchen
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Dik,
Locking prices at their max was not capitalism. It was ill thought out regulation. Like I said earlier, the markets were only clearing at $1,500 before mandate by the PUC for them to be the max.
Locking prices at their max was not capitalism. It was ill thought out regulation. Like I said earlier, the markets were only clearing at $1,500 before mandate by the PUC for them to be the max.
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JohnRBaker
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And some of those months are NOT always found in that section of the calendar generally associated with Winter ;-)
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
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John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
This bit is troublesome. “They are looking for a solution to the situation Texas faced last month by using natural gas storage supplies that will be shifted from heating to electric generation,” Helms said. “That’s an important policy piece.”
I would change "shifted" to "shared". Shifted implies going without heating and that was a TX problem. Unless they are sure heating can indeed be turned off. I doubt they would be able to identify those, or operate that scheme with confidence, as it seems that in TX, electricity going to gas treating was cut. In which case a separate storage for electric gen would be more prudent and easier to operate when you are up to you're a$$ in frozen alligators and nobody's got a match.
The Dakota gas production chart shows they also had a significant gas problem, but apparently without such a big domino effect into electric power gen.
I would change "shifted" to "shared". Shifted implies going without heating and that was a TX problem. Unless they are sure heating can indeed be turned off. I doubt they would be able to identify those, or operate that scheme with confidence, as it seems that in TX, electricity going to gas treating was cut. In which case a separate storage for electric gen would be more prudent and easier to operate when you are up to you're a$$ in frozen alligators and nobody's got a match.
The Dakota gas production chart shows they also had a significant gas problem, but apparently without such a big domino effect into electric power gen.
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JohnRBaker
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Yes, I went to school (in the UP of Michigan) where we consider Minneapolis as a large SOUTHERN city ;-)
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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