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It's apparently a old maritime law.
It stems from that a ship would not sail anywhere without a cargo, and all shipment with ships where seen as a joint adventure.
So if the ship is bound to go under then captain could just dump the cargo to save the ship and crew or if it got stuck retrieving the ship and cargo or only the ship.

Before when everything was shipped with sailing ships and a journey could take month, I guess it might have been seen as resonable, but today in this situation I guess it feels a little strange.

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I thought it was seized by court order? maybe not... time to get the courts to release it.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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Maybe it's best to let Egypt 'keep' the goods... they can have a huge yard sale? They can use the containers for housing. [lol]

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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The claim becomes even more interesting since I understand the Egyptian pilot was responible for causing the problem... the pilot is indemnified, but I think for damages, this is extraordinary.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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One of the most know "accidents" containing "general average" as a component is (Gregson v Gilbert (1783) 3 Doug. KB 232)

The ship Zong that got lost at sea and to make there chances larger to get back to shore they threw the cargo overboard.

If the enslaved people died onshore, the Liverpool ship-owners would have had no redress from their insurers. Similarly, if the enslaved people died a "natural death" (as the contemporary term put it) at sea, then insurance could not be claimed.
If some enslaved people were thrown overboard in order to save the rest of the "cargo" or the ship, then a claim could be made under "general average".
(This principle holds that a captain who jettisons part of his cargo in order to save the rest can claim for the loss from his insurers.)
The ship's insurance covered the loss of enslaved people at £30 per person.


Best Regards A

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
 
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I personally knew a man who experienced a "Loss at Sea" claim about 20 years ago in Honduras.
The saga started when an Ex-pat was leaving Honduras and sold his pickup truck.
He was not paid for the truck and took it back.
Then he sold it to my acquaintance, Dick.
One day while parking the truck, Dick was approached by a man who said;
"That's my truck. I want it back."
The original purchaser had kept a copy of the registration papers.
Dick's lawyer told him;
"His papers are just as good as your papers. As an American in a Honduran court you will lose."
So far the other owner had no paper trail linking Dick to the truck.
He may have had a court order to seize the truck, but he would have to locate the truck.
Well Dick operated a fly-in fishing camp out in the Moskito coast.
That would be a good place to hide and use the truck.
He put the truck on a coastal freighter to ship it to the Moskito Coast.
The ship ran into a storm.
In order to lighten the deck load, the truck was pushed overboard.
The ship survived and made port.
Now the maritime law came into play.
Dick was informed that under the applicable laws, had the ship gone down, everyone would have shared the loss of their cargo, but if cargo was jettisoned and the ship survived the ships owners were responsible for the lost cargo.
The shipping company paid the claim without recourse to the courts.
It worked out well for Dick.



Bill
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Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!
 
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To note if its anything like aviation the price will be mounting quiet rapidly.

They will be charging a parking fee. A security fee.

I also suspect that a load of stuff on that thing is not allowed free access in the Arab world.
 
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I didn't see this posted above, but I apologize if it's a copy:


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Here's one possible outcome for the crew aboard the Ever Given; this poor guy got snookered into signing on as the master of the ship and spent 4 years in hell for it.

Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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As long as they pay, I might like to be on a ship for 4 years. What is the going rate for doing nothing?
 
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Like all thing like that I think it would rapidly suck, badly.

That bugger had no power, no companions, nothing. Just left to rot along with his ship for which he was accidentally regarded as the legal representative and not allowed to leave.

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Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
 
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Hmm saw another article about him but I could not find it.

I do not think being there 4 years alone without electricity and other stuff half the time is the big problem.
It's not knowing when it's going to end that's the problem.

In Norwegian they have this fish farms in the middle of nowhere with bridges and a floating house in the middle of the fjord, all you have to do is feed the fish and see to that the cages are all right.
Maybe something for you cranky. [ponder]
I think they pay better too.

Best Regards A


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
 
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As long as they pay, I might like to be on a ship for 4 years. What is the going rate for doing nothing?
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No electricity, no internet, no TV, no books; I'm surprised the guy didn't lose his mind, since it was almost like 4 years of solitary confinement.

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I don't think that he was paid either.
The ship owners abandoned him along with the ship.

Bill
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Ohm's law
Not just a good idea;
It's the LAW!
 
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K=Like back in the old days when there were lighthouse keepers who often had to like out on some chunk of rock with only an occasional supply boat coming along.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-'Product Evangelist'
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The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
 
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The story says after the ship drifted he started swimming to shore. Were there guards the whole time watching him? There must have been some reason he didn't just slip away.
 
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A leaner faster supply chain? Less clutter to unload.
 
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Digressing a bit... the Ventusky app mentioned in an earlier post deserves added recommendation. It's incredible. You can set the elevation of the wind velocities to say 12,000m and catch the Jet Stream... and you can set it to about 30,000m and catch the wind 'coming back'. All with velocities... it also shows thunderstorms and lightning strikes and likely a bunch of stuff I haven't found yet.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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