Suez Canal blocked by container ship 36

[verymadmac]

It might not be an engineering issue that started it, but I bet is going to change a few specifications.
BBC piece here Link



It looks like the bow is hard aground, refloating will be an interesting exercise given the time pressure.



Canal profile is here

https://www.suezcanal.gov.eg/English/About/SuezCanal/Pages/CanalCharacteristics.aspx

 

[hokie66]

Not about QAnon, because I'm not interested in such nonsense.

 

[TugboatEng]

You post propaganda as fact. That's why you need the mirror. This conversation was proceeding intelligently until you dropped your conspiracy theories in it.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

The Northern sea route is more to do with the Mere De Kara opening up to tankers for crude and LNG I suspect.

A nuke reactor on a boat solves the power issues up there and they have already cracked that one.

So again it comes down to energy.

 

[JohnRBaker]

This has been a part of the buzz all week, just like the series of posts here, in this thread about 30 hours ago, talking about the geopolitical implications of blocking the Suez as well as dozens of other waterways around the world. There wasn't much factual support for that as well, but then that's the nature of the instant and collective discussion of events in today's connected world, and since none of us here represent ourselves as 'journalists', I guess we're each allowed to offer for discussion what we feel is of interest, and since I didn't make this up (I've provided my sources)...

Besides, with this crisis now over, a little humor about why some people were following it as closely as many here were obviously following it, I thought would be enjoyed, if for no other reason than that it demonstrates that everything that happens now days is fuel for someone's beliefs, factual-based or otherwise.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[RedSnake]

The earth ain't flat... hint, it's the green one.

What !! do you mean it's round ?? ??, and sorry, I am colorblind .. light brown, brown, dark brown

Best regards NotaQanna

“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

John reading it while my kid was in the shower certainly made me smile. Although your side of the pond it might get some hot under the collar.

We have a similar situation in Scotland with the SNP and Scottish independence and humour.

 

[1503-44]

It is true! Those supposed "livestock" carrier ships were really carrying food babies to Washington!

Yes. Happy April Fools Day!!!

John, I did not read your post as furthering Q conspiracies. In fact, I took it as you obviously meant it, to discredit such nonsense. I can't see how anyone else could have read it differently. I didn't know that Q had made a case about it, but that isn't surprising given the amount of meds it must take to fuel their collective imagination.

LNG potential. 13,500 Km from Virginia to Japan is roughly equal to Qatar to Japan, but Qatar gas is probably better priced. Norway and Algerian LNG may gain some advantages with a polar route to Japan, but would likely be undercut by Australian gas. There are some large gas export plants in development in East Africa, so future competition will be tough for anyone west of Qatar/Suez. The best foreign market for US LNG is in fact only the northern EU region, anything above the Tower of Hercules. hence the sanctions on Nordstream II.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Anna, you are truly unique. Color blindness is rare among females. Granted, it's rare among males as well, but much more so for gals.

The most common form, Deuteranomaly (a type of Red-Green color blindness) effects approximately 6% of males but less than 0.4% of females. My father had a severe case of Red-Green color blindness. He always joked that that was why he was such a good shot. Because, when deer hunting, he had to make the first shot the kill shot because he wouldn't have have been able to follow a blood trail, unless of course it had been snowing, then who cared what color the blood looked like. Of course, if it were snowing, I'd follow the tracks ;-)

Note that my interest in the issues of color blindness was not really because my father's situation, but rather it came about when I was the project manager for a major update in our software user interface and we needed to make sure that it was usable by people who were color blind, so I did a bunch of research on the topic. This included finding a set of color charts that compared what a color blind person would see versus someone who was not color blind. So we had to make sure that when we used colors to indicate something in a menu or say highlight a choice, that we avoided using colors that a color blind person would find hard to distinguish. Obviously you would avoid changing something from Red to Green, or vice versa, to indicate a state change or an option being set. And it could also be an issue when people used a lot of colors for components in their CAD models and while we did offer photo realistic rendering, that usually required a lot of computer power (or at least it did for a long time before the 'Gamers' got the hardware people to produce miracles in silicon), so most people stuck to a form of the RGB color palette. In our case, we used one based a cube made up of six layers, each layer consisting of six x six colors, for a total of 216 colors. Black and White occupying opposing corners, and the remaining six corners being assigned the primary and secondary RGB colors of Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Cyan and Magenta, with all the variations in between. In fact, I even wrote a program that our customers could run on their models so as to temporarily show them what that model would look like to a color blind person, in case that was something they needed to concern themselves with.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

1503 what's in that Mere De Kara region? I have heard about it off and on for years.

Admitally mostly to do with nuclear waste dumping and isotopes washing up in Scotland but later on there was definitely something to do with oil, gas and coal.

 

[RedSnake]

He always joked that that was why he was such a good shot.

Well he probably was.
The reason they think men are more often colorblind then women is because colorblindness gave men an advantage when hunting.
Being colorblind gathering fruits and food items is not an advantage.
Colorblind have the same eyesight as prey animals, they detect movement much better, they do not get confused by the camouflage colors the animals have, so colorblind people can spot animals long before people who can see color.

The same goes for left-handedness it was also an advantage when hunting in a group especially with spear more common with men.

Anna, you are truly unique.

True but we all are.

Color blindness is rare among females.

Also true, so John, Aprils fool. ;-)
Actually I didn't think it existed.

Best Regards A

PS. I also have made a lot of HMI pictures, but I have a guy at work who is really colorblind, so I use him as a "guinea pig".


“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein

 

[1503-44]

I think mostly just hopeful prospects. I don't know positively that they are producing anything from any offshore reserves in Arctic waters at this time.
One thing for certain is that no Arctic ice is a boom for Russia. It has kept them bascially landlocked since the dawn of history. Any opening up there and ..well ... they'd be a totally unleashed kid in a candy store. I can easily imagine that Russia has been pumping out as much CO2, hexaflourines and flaring as much methane as possible to try to get a global warming bonfire burning as fast as they can.

Even the original map is hard to read so here is the link

https://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server...SSIA_2013__99726.1397210898.1280.1280.jpg?c=2

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Seems the Fortuna is laying about 20km a month and has just been joined by the Akademik Cherskiy.

120 km left until its complete.

Reckon Merkel will get it complete then go.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

On a different note divers have inspected the hull and there is light to medium damage what ever that means, but they think it will be able to self navigate to Netherlands.

But basically its stuck in that lake until a load of money has changed hands.

 

[1503-44]

Nordstream has been stuck on that same "120km to go" for the past year. They must be laying in circles. Hey, that actually happened in the GOM at least once.

Merkel is doing some dancing, mostly to US sanction threats. The puppetmaster supreme pulling all the strings is former German Chancellor 1998-2005, Hr Gerhard Schröder. Schröder is currently the chairman of the board of Nordstream AG and of Rosneft, How's that for geopolitical pipelines? In fact that's much bigger than any coup that GW Bush and Dick Cheney ever dreamed of pulling off. Germany is walking an extremely tight wire on this one.

 

[LionelHutz]

I'd think the canal authority is responsible for all salvage and losses if there were no mechanical failures and a canal pilot was piloting the ship.

 

[1503-44]

Lionel, patience. Let the black box tell its story.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

Nordstream 2 was 160km at Christmas.

And they have finished the German end in the last 2 months.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2020/12/30/595735.htm

 

[TugboatEng]

Lionel, they're already asking for money.

https://gcaptain.com/egypt-compensation-suez-blockage/

After hearing about the captain of the Denver having to override the Canal Authority pilot while the ship ahead and behind both crashed really does make one question the competence of the pilots. Pending investigation it seems Egypt should be paying the rest of the world. I doubt that is going to happen, the investigation is being performed internally by Egypt.

 

[LittleInch]

The second story

https://gcaptain.com/shipowner-declares-general-average-for-ever-given/

is also very interesting.

Basically the ship owner now wants all the owners of the cargo to fund part of the cost of "saving" the vessel and its cargo. And if they are not insured or can't pay the container and its contents is seized.

With 20,000 containers (or is it 10,000 normal containers and 20,000 TEUs?) that's a major headache for everyone.

Did the salvage go Lloyds open contract?

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[LittleInch]

Lionel,

I'm not sure if it was earlier in this thread, but the Suez pilots, like nearly all other pilots, do not take control of the vessel. The captain retains responsibility and actually gives the orders to the helm and engine. Of course if the captain ignores the "advice" of the pilots and then runs aground or hits something then he is clearly at fault, but even if he does everything he is asked then its still his fault.

The only pilots who take responsibility apparently are the Panama canal pilots.

I think they will end up with a limit on ship size if the weather is predicting high winds or high gusts.

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