rcw retired EE
Electrical
- Jul 21, 2005
- 907
What does your plant do if a motor controlled by a MV circuit breaker is running and the DC trip circuit fails defeating the normal trip?
1. Automatically trip immediately using a back up source and accept the process upset?
2. Alarm the failure and let operators determine the best course of action: manually trip at the breaker faceplate, let the motor run unprotected while the problem is fixed or the process is set up to handle the trip, trip the MV Main Breaker, or??
3. Install dual trip coils with separate power source and trip contacts?
4. Use capacitor trip device to maintain tripping power for a few seconds on DC failure?
5. Use Breaker Failure scheme that trips upstream breaker?
Our client operates a 300 MW two-unit power plant and was concerned about not being able to stop large (1- 4 MW) motors fed by 6 kV circuit breakers if the breaker 220VDC control power fails. They added de-energize-to-trip relays that supplied +220VDC from another circuit off the same unit battery to the breaker's single trip coil. The trip relay was actuated (dropped out) by a series string of the Unit Master E-Stop, DCS Watchdog and Protective Relay Fail contacts powered from the breaker trip circuit. Any loss or dip in DC power trips the major motors: boiler fans, boiler feed water pumps, cooling water pumps, etc. If the DC problem is at the main unit battery or the main distribution panel, the backup trip power is also affected so the "Fail Safe" trip doesn't work and the plant continues to produce power.
The plant had a couple inadvertent trips and has blocked the Fail Safe relays in the non-trip position. We were asked to review the system and make recommendations.
Some things we found:
[ul]
[li]220VDC time delay off relays don't time when power fails.[/li]
[li]DC under voltage relays don't actuate if the voltage drops to <15% or the relay control power goes away.[/li]
[li]It is not possible to retrofit these Chinese circuit breakers with dual trip coils.[/li]
[li]The more complicated the circuit, the more chances there are for misoperation.[/li]
[/ul]
The plant was designed and built by a Chinese contractor. We believe it is a standard design used on many fossil fuel power plants.
Our normal design on motor circuits uses the protection relay to alarm in the DCS for a control circuit failure: Loss of DC power, Trip Coil Monitor alarm, or Protective Relay Failure. No automatic trips are initiated on loss of control power. It is up to the operator to decide the best course of action. Trip circuit failures are rare and are not dangerous unless a motor circuit failure also occurs. The switchgear is usually within a 2 minute walk of the control room for a quick response to the problem. A short circuit will eventually get picked up by the upstream relaying. This philosophy maximizes production, gives the a chance to correct issues before tripping but risks equipment damage if simultaneous failures occur or the control power loss was related to an attempted protection trip.
What is the industry consensus? Trip immediately on control power failure? (How do you trip without control power?) Alarm only and give operator time to correct problem? Or ??
Thanks for any input.
1. Automatically trip immediately using a back up source and accept the process upset?
2. Alarm the failure and let operators determine the best course of action: manually trip at the breaker faceplate, let the motor run unprotected while the problem is fixed or the process is set up to handle the trip, trip the MV Main Breaker, or??
3. Install dual trip coils with separate power source and trip contacts?
4. Use capacitor trip device to maintain tripping power for a few seconds on DC failure?
5. Use Breaker Failure scheme that trips upstream breaker?
Our client operates a 300 MW two-unit power plant and was concerned about not being able to stop large (1- 4 MW) motors fed by 6 kV circuit breakers if the breaker 220VDC control power fails. They added de-energize-to-trip relays that supplied +220VDC from another circuit off the same unit battery to the breaker's single trip coil. The trip relay was actuated (dropped out) by a series string of the Unit Master E-Stop, DCS Watchdog and Protective Relay Fail contacts powered from the breaker trip circuit. Any loss or dip in DC power trips the major motors: boiler fans, boiler feed water pumps, cooling water pumps, etc. If the DC problem is at the main unit battery or the main distribution panel, the backup trip power is also affected so the "Fail Safe" trip doesn't work and the plant continues to produce power.
The plant had a couple inadvertent trips and has blocked the Fail Safe relays in the non-trip position. We were asked to review the system and make recommendations.
Some things we found:
[ul]
[li]220VDC time delay off relays don't time when power fails.[/li]
[li]DC under voltage relays don't actuate if the voltage drops to <15% or the relay control power goes away.[/li]
[li]It is not possible to retrofit these Chinese circuit breakers with dual trip coils.[/li]
[li]The more complicated the circuit, the more chances there are for misoperation.[/li]
[/ul]
The plant was designed and built by a Chinese contractor. We believe it is a standard design used on many fossil fuel power plants.
Our normal design on motor circuits uses the protection relay to alarm in the DCS for a control circuit failure: Loss of DC power, Trip Coil Monitor alarm, or Protective Relay Failure. No automatic trips are initiated on loss of control power. It is up to the operator to decide the best course of action. Trip circuit failures are rare and are not dangerous unless a motor circuit failure also occurs. The switchgear is usually within a 2 minute walk of the control room for a quick response to the problem. A short circuit will eventually get picked up by the upstream relaying. This philosophy maximizes production, gives the a chance to correct issues before tripping but risks equipment damage if simultaneous failures occur or the control power loss was related to an attempted protection trip.
What is the industry consensus? Trip immediately on control power failure? (How do you trip without control power?) Alarm only and give operator time to correct problem? Or ??
Thanks for any input.