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Hydrogenerator Vibration & Noise

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StanBognatz

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Nov 1, 2005
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I've got a unique situation with a recently re-stacked hydrogenerator. Vitals are:

# poles = 56 ; # stator slots = 360 ; line freq = 60 Hz ; rpm = 128.57

Old design had 4 stator core splits ; New design uses a continuous core stack

Vibration taken directly from the back of the core iron shows a 4.3 g-pk component at 720 Hz, with the next largest response at its first harmonic of 1440 Hz at 0.45 g. The adjacent keybar showed similar but slightly higher radial responses of 4.8 and 0.9 g-pk, respectively. Tangential responses on the keybar were 0.9 and 2.4 g, respectively.

Through each spectrum 120 Hz harmonics are present, but they are comparatively low level, typically 0.05 to 0.09 g.

The 720 Hz vibration creates significant audible noise, with levels that increase directly with load. At FSNL and with excitation on, we have about 75 dbA at 20' outside the generator enclosure. At 35MW load, we have 90+dB, with the predominant 720 Hz component.

Sister units to this problem unit operate at full load with noise levels in the 75 dBA range; no access for vibration measurements at this point.

Our client is not accepting the unit for operation based upon the noise being generated. We have had several theories regarding the source of the noise, with possible solution. But unfortunately, none of them has been very viable from an operational perspective.

I would appreciate any commentary on the issue.

Thanks,
Stan






 
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Tom, how did you calculate the slot pass frequency?

Data was taken out to 2 kHz with 1600 lines resolution.
 
Stan,

I estimated slot pass frequency: 2*slots*line freq/poles. This produced the 771Hz.

More accurate is ((2*slots/poles)+-1)*line freq. Using this calc I come out with 831Hz and 711Hz. I don't know the significance of the +-1 component in the equation.

Your FFT resolution was definately high enough. How broad was the peak? What window were you using?



Tom Moritz
Mechanical Engineer
US Bureau of Reclamation
 
Just an idea: is the generator loaded? How about UMP?
 
Stan,

Tom Moritz had a very good idea about stator slot pass frequency. Multiply rotor speed x #Slots and get 771.4 Hz. A 2kHz spectrum with 1600 lines only has 1.25 Hz resolution, so stator slot frequency is a good possibility. The excitation mechanism can be aerodynamic (siren effect) due to high spot (one rotor bar) on rotor or rotor eccentricity. Look for sidebands around stator slot pass frequency spaced at rotor speed indicating amplitude modulation.

Walt
 
I agree it's stator slot pass frequency. My vote remains electromagnetic as Tom said, based on:

1-The vib depends on load and excitation current. 2-The backiron is vibrating like crazy.

Btw this is hydrogenrator. I assume it would have a salient pole rotor with 56 pole pieces.

Out of curiosity Sam, can you clarify this:
"The vibration and noise increase directly with load and field current, but not with excitation (as reported to me)."
I'm pretty sure that field current and excitation are the same thing. The rotor is a dc circuit and rotor field current varies with excitation voltage. Right?

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Walt,

In my post on Aug. 17 I stated some confusion regarding the +-1 component in the formula for calculating slot pass frequency. Am I correct to say the +-1 components are the sidebands you refer to in your posting on Nov. 15?

Regards,


Tom Moritz
Mechanical Engineer
US Bureau of Reclamation
 
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