Forces in scissar lift

[Agunia]

Hi

I need help, how can i calculate force in screw and in rods ?

 

[desertfox]

A clue, draw some free body diagrams, then post what you have done and then we might help

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[Agunia]

I think direction of Rb force is correct but Ra is not. Only 2 unkown forces Ra , Rb so i didnt use sumM=0. I think im doing huge mistake.

 

[desertfox]

Hi

Where are the dimensions of the scissor lift ? There are several ways to do this but you need some dimensions and angles to work with, is this a student post?

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[GregLocock]

When you get some dimensions try using virtual (or actual) work, Q*deltaH=T*theta_screw, in the right units.

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[fel3]

This thing has a single pinned support. What keeps it from rotating counter-clockwise under its own weight until it hits the floor?

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[GregLocock]

Friction. There's also a 'foot' on the ground, and the jacking point on the vehicle has a socketty sort of feature.

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[Agunia]

Force in screw depend on angel alfa, Qmax is when alfa=25deg, for alfa>25deg Q=const=Qmax. How can i calculate forces in screw and arms correct ? This structure work as lattice i think.

 

[desertfox]

Resolution of forces start with the load Q.

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[Agunia]

This is still bad because i got 2 unkown forces Ra and Rb and 3 equation (x=0 y=0 M=0).

 

[desertfox]

Take moments from Ra so Ra*300 sin α = Rb * 150 sin 20°, Transpose and find Rb


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[BAretired]

Add a roller support for stability, draw to scale, calculate a few dimensions and it's a piece of cake. You wouldn't want us to do the calculation for you, would you?

Note that 169/tan25 = 362.4, which I rounded to 362.

BA

 

[BAretired]

Think of this apparatus as a giant nut cracker where the vertical force Q is applied at the end of each handle. The two handles are joined together by a pin at the roller support. The 'nut' is located 135mm to the right of the left end.

What is the force required to crack the nut? It is a vertical force caused by a beam hinged at the left with a 227mm cantilever and a 135mm back span. Say that force is F. The 'nut' in our case is a diamond shaped frame of length 270mm and height 270*tan25^o. Two corners are tied together by a horizontal member to prevent them from spreading.

You should be able to calculate all of the forces using statics.

BA

 

[BAretired]

Hey, Agunia, keep us in the loop. Have you solved the problem yet? If not, why not? If Eng-Tips solves it for you, your professor might not take kindly to our interference. I gave you a suggestion; it is up to you to finish it. After you calculate the force acting at the top and bottom of the diamond frame (or walnut), the rest is simple statics. Is there a problem?

I didn't go through your calculation sheet, but at a glance, it appears far too complicated. Let E-T know if we can help.

BA

 

[fel3]

Greg...

Thanks for the explanation. However, is friction in the foot pin enough before engaging the load and is it enough if the load and foot are not precisely aligned? I have only used symmetrical scissor jacks. This type doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

Fred

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[BAretired]

fel3,

I'd say you were correct the first time. The structure is unstable as shown. It needs more support to prevent it from rotating about the bottom pin. That is why I added a roller support at the left end in my model.

Friction should not be relied upon to prevent rotation. The "foot" on the ground can't help because it's below the pin. A socket joint at the top could help, provided the vehicle being jacked is capable of providing adequate lateral support. That is not specifically stated, and should not be relied upon.

I share your lack of confidence in the jack as drawn.

BA

 

[GregLocock]

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[BAretired]

Your left hand bottom sketch is unstable, Greg.
The models shown below are much better, although I wouldn't trust any of them on a steep gradient.

The main difference between your model and these is the fact there are two pins instead of one, above the base plate providing a degree of stability. The assembly could collapse in an orthogonal direction too. For that, there is the width of the base to provide some stability.

BA

 

[GregLocock]

It is stabilised by the wheels on the other side of the car, although I agree it isn't ideal.

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[BAretired]

It is stabilised by the wheels on the other side of the car, although I agree it isn't ideal.

So it relies on the wheels on the other side of the car being locked against rotation. Otherwise, it is not stabilized. I agree it isn't ideal.

BA