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Northridge was a real 'eye opener', even up in Canada... and, in hind site, I'm really glad it was only a 6.7...

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Dour, David? I’ve been called worse, but not that.
 
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In my limited experience with Turkish construction practices, I can say that even if things are designed properly, there is no guarantee all contractors will build everything according to plans. Engineers and inspectors requiring contractors to build exactly according to plans might not last through to project completion.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
 
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I am currently in Osmaniye & my plantr is unfinished chloralklai project. Fortunately nothing happened to my chemical plant. However I would like any standard that relates or discusses chemical machinery or equipments vis-a-vis earthquakes
 
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I don't know what standards apply, but I would think for a chemical plant, they would be quite stringent.

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Turkey earthquake opened 190-mile-long fissure, satellite images show
COMET researcher Milan Lazecky (see link above) said:
horizontal displacements of rarely up to 5 meters
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Turkey arrests building contractors 6 days after quakes
Link above said:
ANTAKYA, Turkey (AP) — Turkish officials detained or issued arrest warrants for some 130 people allegedly involved in shoddy and illegal construction methods ...
... Erdogan acknowledged earlier in the week that the initial response has been hampered by the extensive damage. He said the worst-affected area was 500 kilometers (310 miles) in diameter and was home to 13.5 million people in Turkey. ...
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[URL unfurl="true" said:
https://apnews.com/article/politics-2023-turkey-syria-earthquake-government-istanbul-fbd6af578a6056569879b5ef6c55d322?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=RelatedStories&utm_campaign=position_03[/URL]]... In 2021, the Chamber of Geological Engineers of Turkey published a series of reports raising red flags about existing buildings and new construction taking place in areas leveled by this week’s quakes, including Kahramanmaras, Hatay and Osmaniye. The Chamber urged the government to conduct studies to ensure that buildings were up to code and built on safe locations.

A year earlier, the Chamber issued a report that directly called out policies of “slum amnesty, construction amnesty” as dangerous and warned that “indifference to disaster safety culture” would lead to preventable deaths. ...
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"The Building Inspector (AHJ) is not your (the owners) inspector". Even in the US where we have a mostly functional building inspection system, I always recommend the owner hire his own inspector.
 
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FaceEngrPE: Your building inspector is your last line of defense! Hiring your own inspector is really a good recommendation. I have suggested that to clients years ago. But good inspectors have called the EOR and saved a lot of grief. In LA an inspector called me about a 6 foot diameter caisson being poured. Only thing was that I was still arguing with the geotech about where the competent passive pressure began below the top of the soil. (turned out to be about 10 feet!). But the inspector said that the concrete trucks were there. Send them back.

Know of one inspector who caught a major error on a new hospital.(California). Lotta grief for some people but the inspector was correct. Don't know who missed the error during the rigorius plan check by a number of agencies.

This is a terrible tragedy. Apparently warnings from the Turkish engineering professionals were not heeded but it does take time to motivate the proper people.
 
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Seems to me Turkey is a little quick to arrest people.

Here in the United States, when a building collapses, we take lots of samples and think about things for a couple of years. And maybe pass a couple of new laws.



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There are many countries where innocence is not presumed and they follow the "Arrest first, ask questions later" policy. Most turn out to be guilty anyway, so it works pretty well. They usually get credit for time served too.


Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
 
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The Turkish legal system must work differently than what I am used to, but as several of the persons were picked up in airports seemingly attempting to flee the EU, some of the arrests are not wholly unreasonable.

My opinion is that the persons enabling "construction amnesty" for structures known not to meet code requirements should be prosecuted, before going after contractors. I wounder if a building having received "construction amnesty" would impede legal action against the constructor of the building?
 
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Yup... them, too. Everyone in the food line... including government officials. I don't know how they are now, but 50 years back, they had some interesting legal protocols. Interesting military service. If you were born of Turkish parents, you had to serve, or you could be arrested... didn't matter where you were born, or where you were living. You could, however, pay a 'fine' to be exempt.

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This building on the right caught my eye on a news story about slow delivery of aid to Syria. A lot of the buildings look like soft story failure at the base, but in this particular building, the platform base held up despite the failure of the upper stories.

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A great read exposing builders mafia

Turkish engineer Pelin Giritliogu said that in the southern earthquake zone alone, there were over 75,000 buildings that had availed the construction amnesties. Once the rescue efforts wind down, investigations will reveal how many of these buildings actually survived, as compared with the few buildings that were built according to code. One example of such a building was found in the city of Kahraman­maras, where the sole building left erect was the Chamber of Civil Engi­neers, standing tall amid a devastated city.
 
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