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Comparison between work and rack arrangement and hydraulic cylinder 1
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Is this a "one time" move, or something that needs to be done repeatedly?
For a one time move the most efficient mechanism is no mechanism. Hire a rigging company.
You've mentioned pulling. Thus I suggest a winch.
A lot of experienced members participating in this thread, but mostly guessing because of the lack of good information.
For a one time move the most efficient mechanism is no mechanism. Hire a rigging company.
You've mentioned pulling. Thus I suggest a winch.
A lot of experienced members participating in this thread, but mostly guessing because of the lack of good information.
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Sorry if my information is lacking. Our project cannot be disclosed entirely.
@MintJulep, depending on the client it will be done once in a while. We are assuming once in a year. It needs to be pulled and pushed so winch is not an option.
@Jboggs, the chain loop is a good idea but we lack support underneath. The whole setup will be bolted to a wall of 3" thickness. In the chain loop system motor and gearbox moves along with the sprocket. Too much moving load. In rack and pinion, rack alone moves so, it is preferred.
@MintJulep, depending on the client it will be done once in a while. We are assuming once in a year. It needs to be pulled and pushed so winch is not an option.
@Jboggs, the chain loop is a good idea but we lack support underneath. The whole setup will be bolted to a wall of 3" thickness. In the chain loop system motor and gearbox moves along with the sprocket. Too much moving load. In rack and pinion, rack alone moves so, it is preferred.
There are traction double drum winches that can push and pull:
I don't think Cordem's is big enough for your load though. In full disclosure, I have worked for Cordem. I'm sure there are other winch manufacturers that have bigger, similar offerings.
I don't think Cordem's is big enough for your load though. In full disclosure, I have worked for Cordem. I'm sure there are other winch manufacturers that have bigger, similar offerings.
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A picture is worth a thousand words. A diagram please? Show us some of your ideas. That would help. You can do that without disclosing proprietary information.
"In rack and pinion, rack alone moves so, it is preferred."
So, you're moving the rack? Why? It will stick out at each end of travel!
If the moving load is already 10 tons, I don't see how adding a motor and gearbox to drive a pinion or sprocket will add noticeably to the moving weight.
Your initial question was "which is more efficient in operation and cost, worm and rack or telescoping cylinder?" In my opinion, neither of them are desirable. A worm and rack is the picture of wear and inefficiency. A telescoping cylinder is the picture of costly. And a horizontal one is a maintenance headache! There are so many other ways to move a load.
And now you tell us its only once a year! That would have been nice to know. If its only once a year, why do you even care about efficiency? Why power it at all? Get a hand crank winch, call it a day, and move on to the next project.
I don't mean to be rude but I have to ask - have you designed linear motion systems before? If so, you know what information we need to help you. If you haven't that's ok too. We all have to start somewhere. Get some personal advice from an experienced mentor where you work.
"In rack and pinion, rack alone moves so, it is preferred."
So, you're moving the rack? Why? It will stick out at each end of travel!
If the moving load is already 10 tons, I don't see how adding a motor and gearbox to drive a pinion or sprocket will add noticeably to the moving weight.
Your initial question was "which is more efficient in operation and cost, worm and rack or telescoping cylinder?" In my opinion, neither of them are desirable. A worm and rack is the picture of wear and inefficiency. A telescoping cylinder is the picture of costly. And a horizontal one is a maintenance headache! There are so many other ways to move a load.
And now you tell us its only once a year! That would have been nice to know. If its only once a year, why do you even care about efficiency? Why power it at all? Get a hand crank winch, call it a day, and move on to the next project.
I don't mean to be rude but I have to ask - have you designed linear motion systems before? If so, you know what information we need to help you. If you haven't that's ok too. We all have to start somewhere. Get some personal advice from an experienced mentor where you work.
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I completely understand. It is my first internship. Part time and WFH. Honestly, after each meeting I am getting new information and I need to implement them in the already built design based on previous inputs.
Fine I'll try to give a gist that contains as many facts as I can give.
There is a rectangular block of 10 ton load. It needs to be pushed or pulled around 15 ft. The load will be moving on rollers. Now I need a mechanism which can do the above task as frequently as once in a year maximum. This whole mechanism should be mounted on a concrete wall of 3" thickness parallel to which the load will be moving. There will be two such walls so two mechanisms. Alignment is very crucial here.
This load and walls and the mechanism are actually a part of a portable product. This whole thing can be deployed anywhere from a well established and levelled concrete or metal platform to the fields of Savannah. So there is no guarantee that I will get proper base to fix some equipments in front/behind of the load to pull or push it.Nevertheless, our product will be first deployed on a well established metal platform for the first time. This platform is just as wide as the load and the walls. By the way, the load will be in between the walls. So there will be no support beneath the mechanism for now. There will space at front and back though but that may not be the case all the time.
Whatever the mechanism is, it might be operated multiple times to get the load in right position (for rack, cylinder, chain loop, etc.). Because the chances are that this mechanism will come fitted from the factory itself and there is a 8ft width restriction for any article that is to be transported by road. So the maximum length of the rack can be 8ft only.
Now the most baffling thing is there may not be any crane at the deployment site. There are trucks that has a loading and unloading system so I guess it will be used to unload the whole product. But that's about it. It can't do anything about the mechanism. So the mechanism should have structure that is easy to move up/down with a chain block. And there will be 4 to 5 men to deploy this whole thing. At least that's what I've been told.
Fine I'll try to give a gist that contains as many facts as I can give.
There is a rectangular block of 10 ton load. It needs to be pushed or pulled around 15 ft. The load will be moving on rollers. Now I need a mechanism which can do the above task as frequently as once in a year maximum. This whole mechanism should be mounted on a concrete wall of 3" thickness parallel to which the load will be moving. There will be two such walls so two mechanisms. Alignment is very crucial here.
This load and walls and the mechanism are actually a part of a portable product. This whole thing can be deployed anywhere from a well established and levelled concrete or metal platform to the fields of Savannah. So there is no guarantee that I will get proper base to fix some equipments in front/behind of the load to pull or push it.Nevertheless, our product will be first deployed on a well established metal platform for the first time. This platform is just as wide as the load and the walls. By the way, the load will be in between the walls. So there will be no support beneath the mechanism for now. There will space at front and back though but that may not be the case all the time.
Whatever the mechanism is, it might be operated multiple times to get the load in right position (for rack, cylinder, chain loop, etc.). Because the chances are that this mechanism will come fitted from the factory itself and there is a 8ft width restriction for any article that is to be transported by road. So the maximum length of the rack can be 8ft only.
Now the most baffling thing is there may not be any crane at the deployment site. There are trucks that has a loading and unloading system so I guess it will be used to unload the whole product. But that's about it. It can't do anything about the mechanism. So the mechanism should have structure that is easy to move up/down with a chain block. And there will be 4 to 5 men to deploy this whole thing. At least that's what I've been told.
GregLocock
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"Alignment is very crucial here." I suggest yous eparate your alignment function from your motion function, and give us an idea of what accuracy is required.
To be honest a hydralic ram or leadscrew just sounds like more trouble than its worth, a 10 ton load horizontally on rollers is a handwinch scale job.
Cheers
Greg Locock
New here? Try reading these, they might help FAQ731-376
To be honest a hydralic ram or leadscrew just sounds like more trouble than its worth, a 10 ton load horizontally on rollers is a handwinch scale job.
Cheers
Greg Locock
New here? Try reading these, they might help FAQ731-376
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