Cable sizing for Ceiling Speakers 2

[Yogendra2012]

Hi there,
We are having 6 W Bosch Ceiling Speakers in our Project. Where Route length from end to end is up to 1000 meters at some places. Please tell me what cable size shall be suitable for it. And how it can be calculated for a specified length.

 

[IRstuff]

Is this for school?

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[Yogendra2012]

No, This is not for school...... This is for Our thermal Power Project

 

[ScottyUK]

Transformer-fed of a 100V line (or 70V line), or direct fed? Once you decide that, apply Ohm's law. Hint: the transformer changes the impedance of the speaker as seen from the other side of the transformer.

 

[VEBill]

As Scotty posted, the correct approach is the "70volt" systems (there are other voltage variations).

Here's a ref to get started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-voltage_speaker_system

With such higher voltage audio distribution, the wire can be (much) smaller gauge than if you tried to use an 8-ohm speaker at the end of a very long cable.

 

[OperaHouse]

The last ceiling speakers I worked with were 24V AC powered 4 wire, two power and two audio. Built in audio amplifier with audio isolation transformer on the input. These seemed to be hooked up with solid #20.

 

[VEBill]

It'd be better to send high level audio a km, rather than low level audio to be remotely amplified at the speaker. Relative noise level, etc.

The '70volt' type standard for speakers is just audio at a much higher voltage, with transformers. Same concept as your local power grid. Voltage drop goes as the inverse square of the voltage ratio.

It's the standard approach.

 

[IRstuff]

From what I've read, getting high-quality audio on 70V system might be somewhat expensive

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[VEBill]

Probably less expensive than getting high quality audio through a km of suitable cable at 8 ohms.

You're right. The typical little '70v' audio transformers I've seen aren't intended to pass a lot of bass. I actually have one or two fairly hefty ones in my junkbox, intended for the source end.

I had assumed that this was for paging. Or 'Muzak'.

 

[itsmoked]

Muze ack.

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[MacGyverS2000]

What's a thermal power project, and why does it need music?

Dan - Owner

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[VEBill]

Maybe it has a cafeteria.

 

[Yogendra2012]

Our thermal power project is a coal based Power generation plant of 1980MW power generation capacity (3 units of 660MW each). We need speaker's as part of public address system in entire plant for making announcements like fire hazards warning, emergency evacuation of area, operational instructions and page/party announcements. Apart from this we shall have call stations at very locations for man to man calling.

 

[MikeHalloran]

Is there actually a ceiling in which to mount the speakers in every intended location?
... or are you intending to just hang them from the bar grate of the deck above?

Is there some kind of acoustic shelter surrounding the speaker locations, so people have a chance of hearing the speakers over the noise generated by the powerplant?

Do you have strobe lights near the speakers to let hearing-impaired people know that something important is going on, and they should turn on their hearing aids, or ask someone what's happening, or ... run?
... and to let normal people know that they should move closer to the speakers so they can maybe hear the speakers?




Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

 

[Yogendra2012]

Exactly.... We are having Cone type loud speakers for open area whereas box-up ceiling speakers for closed room or area where roof/ceiling is there. Also we have flashing lights in speakers placed in noisy area. Acoustic Hoods & soundproof Booths are provided for call stations.

 

[ScottyUK]

The acoustic quality of an outdoor horn speaker is so poor that the limitations of the line transformer won't matter.

Here's an application note from one of the better-known professional amplifier brands which might help you understand how this works:

http://www.crownaudio.com/media/pdf/amps/138905-1_10-05_constant_voltage.pdf