Spot Weld Testing
Spot Weld Testing
(OP)
I am preparing a drawing of a stainless steel sheet test piece to test the set up of a spot welder. Our customer has called up a McMaster Carr part number that points to Stainless Steel 304 hardened to Rc40. Is (work) hardness a factor in spot welding? I assume we will try to rip this thing apart to test the spot weld. Will it be hard in the heat affected zone (HAZ)?
Basically, does the hardness matter, or can I just write STAINLESS STEEL 304 on the drawing?
Basically, does the hardness matter, or can I just write STAINLESS STEEL 304 on the drawing?
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JHG
RE: Spot Weld Testing
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RE: Spot Weld Testing
It depends on the weld prep, how clean and oxide removed is more important.
Here's what I say. Write down a standard procedure. Then destructive test using samples. Record the best settings.
Weld, test, record.
Use different settings.
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It is not. Settings may vary slightly between different work hardened levels, but not greatly.
Not by much. Because of its austenitic structure, it is not hardenable by heat.
Really more of a question for your customer. It will depend on its end usage. Perhaps they will need similar hardness numbers in the welds.
I agree with mfgenggear’s post above, except that I wouldn’t worry too much about removing the oxide layer prior to welding. I would simply wipe down the parts with acetone or similar solvent for cleanliness.
The devil is in the details; she also wears prada.
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With spot welding. But I seen better results.
And every machine is different and a starting schedule may or may not need adjustment.
I worked with stainless on the atlas program.
Spot welding was very critical. Scotch bright
Works wonders and only takes a few seconds.
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The devil is in the details; she also wears prada.
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Let the results show the final results.
No harm in it . , if it does not need it fine.
But let the op have options. Famous last words not necessary. It is in critical welds[code
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A part ordered from McMaster Carr is probably not going to be used for a critical application, but I digress. It definitely wouldn’t hurt to try.
For what it’s worth, my facility does about 1,000 spots welds a day on 4 machines and all different materials including carbon, stainless, and nickel based sheet, and combinations of all those materials. However, these are mainly for covers and skins. Definitely not critical. We don’t do anything more than a simple clean.
The devil is in the details; she also wears prada.
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I suspect that they wanted stainless steel and they searched McMaster Carr for it.
Thanks everybody.
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JHG
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Most fun was welding aluminum , the prep work was most important. But the stuff I worked on had to pass visual, zyglow, or mag, UT, and xray.
Some times pressure test. So I could be over reacting for non critical , no safety issues.
But never know when that may come up in one's career.
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They may be buying this from McC because they just want a small amount for testing.
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The harder material may require higher clamping forces, but the rest should be the same.
It will be a factor in the pull-apart strength.
The welds and HAZ will be softer.
Just wiping clean is typical for SS.
If you use acetone, it cannot be open to the air.
It will absorb moisture, and you will be leaving water on the surface.
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Some cities or state don't alow it.
From what remember. Get acetone for work environment, you know epa stuff.
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It passed 99% of the time.
Very important no matter if commercial or aerospace to have a very loose
SOP, with lots of leeway. Give operators plenty of elbow room to adjust but yet have the minimum requirements.