Magnetic Flux
Magnetic Flux
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I have drawings of magnets with physical dimensions, materials, tolerances, etc. How do I add a Magnetic Flux requirement (weber, volt second) so I can measure the magnet when is arrives and be sure that it is fully magnetized? I know how to add this to the drawing literally however where do I get the characteristics and tolerance for this? Should the magnet supplier give this information? Is there a way to calculate this value based on the material data sheet that is typically used with BH curves and other characteristics (see attached file)?
I have a Helmholtz coil and flux meter and I would like to make sure that the magnets are fully magnetized and are the right material.
I have a Helmholtz coil and flux meter and I would like to make sure that the magnets are fully magnetized and are the right material.
Clyde Hancock
Design & analysis of electric motors and generators
www.motorconsultants.com
RE: Magnetic Flux
The units for magnetic moment are Volt-Second-Meter, Weber-Meter or Ampere-Meter²
Most magnetic modeling software packages have the capability of directly calculating the value for you. The equation for it is pretty simple though:
If your magnet dimensions are inches:
(Volume)*(2.54³)*(Br)*((Permeance coefficient + 1)/(Permeance coefficient + Recoil permeability))/100,000
If your magnet dimensions are millimeters:
(Volume)*(0.1³)*(Br)*((Permeance coefficient + 1)/(Permeance coefficient + Recoil permeability))/100,000
Br (remanence) should be Gauss.
The calculated value for both equations will have units of milliWeber-centimeter (mWbcm)
When I need to calculate Min/Max limits for a particular magnet part:
For minimum value: Model the part at minimum material condition and minimum Br
For maximum value: Model the part at maximum material condition and maximum Br
To be honest, most of the time I just need to calculate the minimum value.
RE: Magnetic Flux
Thanks!
Clyde Hancock
Design & analysis of electric motors and generators
www.motorconsultants.com
RE: Magnetic Flux
But then would test the first 50pcs or so in the HH coil and set the highest and lowest aside.
Then we would take a couple from each of these groups and actually run full testing on them.
This was to give us more confidence in setting a test min.
After all even if you 100% test there will be some that are out of range, it is all statistics.
Sometimes we would find undersaturation, but usually it spoke to a dimensional issue.
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RE: Magnetic Flux
Clyde Hancock
Design & analysis of electric motors and generators
www.motorconsultants.com
RE: Magnetic Flux
using HH coils, or a single search coil, you test moment for a fully open circuit, and so moment / volume = Bdi (intrinsic flux density). if recoil permeability = 1, e.g. Bd = Hd (in a perfect square loop), then Bdi = Br. In theory, Bdi<=Br.
RE: Magnetic Flux