Yield Moment (My)
Yield Moment (My)
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In built-up plate girders, if the web is of grade 36 ksi and the flanges are of grade 50 ksi, then what how would the yield moment (My) be calculated? Is it My = (36ksi)x(Section Modulu to bottom of flange) or is it My = (50ksi)x(Section Modulus to top of flange)?
RE: Yield Moment (My)
Stress at any height due to moment:
Yield moment with one yield stress:
Yield moment with different web and flange yield stresses:
My,web = Fy,web * I / (c - tf)
My = MIN(My,flange, My,web)
I - Second moment of area
y - Distance from the Neutral Axis to any given fiber
c - Distance from the Neutral Axis to the most extreme Fiber
tf - Flange thickness
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RE: Yield Moment (My)
By visual inspection , one can say the web ( grade 36 ksi ) will yield before flanges ( grade 50 ksi )
In Eurocode BS EN 1993-1-5 (Part 1-5: Plated structural elements ) , this is called HYBRID GIRDER . Hybrid girders may have flange material with yield strength fyf up to 2.0*fyw if ,
- the increase of flange stresses caused by yielding of the web is taken into account by limiting the stresses
in the web to fyw
- fyf is used in determining the effective area of the web.
( The two conditions copy and paste from the code ).
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RE: Yield Moment (My)
Conceptually, it depends on what you're using My for. If you're using it to decide between inelastic buckling and elastic buckling, then you might need to use the flange regardless of whether My is larger for it or the web. That's because residual stresses are max in compression at the flange tips.
RE: Yield Moment (My)
Easier calculating Zx (plastic section) if Class 1 or Class 2 section.
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RE: Yield Moment (My)
No not always.
If you have very thick flanges relative to the depth it is possible (as ProgrammingPE suggests) that the web flange could yield first, despite its Fy=50.
A 12" deep beam with 2" flanges (unlikely of course) would yield the 50 ksi flanges before the 36ksi web.
RE: Yield Moment (My)
The strength and serviceability will be controlled by the stress/strain in the flange and not the web.
Some controlled yielding is not something to be feared in our structures. In fact it is perfectly normal part of our design even in serviceability conditions. (Eg; most plies in bolt bearing)
RE: Yield Moment (My)
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RE: Yield Moment (My)
With the elastic section moment you will likely be really limiting your capacity and not suitably utilising the yield limit of the flange.