Void in tables
Void in tables
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Please help me in understanding of this issue. One often sees voids in tables. This situation mostly concerns US-issued literature. For example see the extract from NFPA
See - Ester of Acetic Acid and tBuOH has not Zone Group and MESG both while Acrolein has Zone Group and has not MESG.
In the same situation some sources contains dashes and voids both - some positions in a table are fiiled with dashes, some - voids. I have checked several resources - authors provided no legend or logic, so a logic is not obvious.
What does it mean? When a table contains dashes and voids both what a dash mean and what a void? Why not just to specify "n/a" (not available, not applicable) or "n/n" "not known"? Why NFPA did not specified dashes instead of voids - it is more convenient as a reader loses a row less easier. Can anyone please describe this US practice?
Hope my idea is clear.
Please help me in understanding of this issue. One often sees voids in tables. This situation mostly concerns US-issued literature. For example see the extract from NFPA
See - Ester of Acetic Acid and tBuOH has not Zone Group and MESG both while Acrolein has Zone Group and has not MESG.
In the same situation some sources contains dashes and voids both - some positions in a table are fiiled with dashes, some - voids. I have checked several resources - authors provided no legend or logic, so a logic is not obvious.
What does it mean? When a table contains dashes and voids both what a dash mean and what a void? Why not just to specify "n/a" (not available, not applicable) or "n/n" "not known"? Why NFPA did not specified dashes instead of voids - it is more convenient as a reader loses a row less easier. Can anyone please describe this US practice?
Hope my idea is clear.
RE: Void in tables
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Good Luck,
Latexman
RE: Void in tables
In essence there is no difference between a dash, three dots (line ASME do) or a blank space. It's meaning is the same - i.e. there is no data or the item is regarded as not valid for design or operational purposes.
Adding letters isn't always a good move as it clutters up the page, but I agree spaces or voids are not the best.
So for me it's just whoever made the table did it that way and no one has imposed a set way so nothing gets changed....
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
RE: Void in tables
NFPA 497 2017 ed.
@LittleInch
still not clear
RE: Void in tables
Try writing to NFPA to ask them - maybe there is a reason which we don't know about, but it looks like a blank is "an absence of any statement", but "-" can also be used for the same thing.
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
RE: Void in tables
Good Luck,
Latexman
RE: Void in tables
Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
RE: Void in tables
Good Luck,
Latexman
RE: Void in tables
for info
table 4 from NFPA
table 6 from Carson&Mumford's Hazardous Chemicals Handbook 2nd ed.
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RE: Void in tables
Sorry, misinformation on your profile on another website.
Good Luck,
Latexman
RE: Void in tables
If an entry is blank or in table speak 'null value' they insert an ellipsis (...).
If it is a combination that is specifically not permitted, they will say so.
You have to remember that these documents are written by volunteers, with various backgrounds, and the original drafts often go back decades (>50years in many cases). and then they have been revised many times.
Lots of opportunity for differences in style to creep in.
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I have no claims to volunteers, but every such doc has an editor, correct? Is an editor responsible to provide uniform design / style / logic whether editor is one person or a team where roles are devided. We are discussing not so overcomplicated issue, correct? Is editor a volunteer also? I think answer is negative as even if he/she/it got involved voluntarily he/she/it got most benefits from issueing such doc whether those are represented as power, reputation, promotion, contacts, money or whatever. Is an editor responsible to prevent such creeping in?
Again - we are discussing the issue (a) obvious to everyone taken such doc in hands, (b) not related to culture or background, and (c) correcting of that requires 1 hour. Are volunteers the reason? I think no.
My idea is this is System and I would appreciate if someone well known with the situation comments this and advises how a reader should react.
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RE: Void in tables
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RE: Void in tables
To be honest their focus with each revision is the changes.
Every now and then a spec gets the full overhaul, but those are a ton of work.
You would be surprised how often footnotes and other 'minor' things get misaligned in the process.
The part of spec creep is handled in the meetings and voting.
You can't downgrade a spec.
You can't have a spec favor a commercial interest.
And if you upgrade a spec it had better not negatively impact the price or availability.
This is why we need as many people as possible involved in the spec process.
AMS, SAE and ASTM are fairly easy to get involved with. ASME is a little more difficult.
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RE: Void in tables
To answer your question, put your money on the table and run the tests!