magnetic field and two metals
magnetic field and two metals
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HI . Can you clarify the following for me please? .
what happens to the magnetic field that passes through two different metals placed in contact with each other?.
if I use one of the two metals as an electromagnet, wrapped in a coil of copper wire, having a magnetic saturation higher than the second metal, what then happens to the magnetic field that passes through the second metal having a lower magnetic saturation and an equal or higher magnetic permeability ? .
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what happens to the magnetic field that passes through two different metals placed in contact with each other?.
if I use one of the two metals as an electromagnet, wrapped in a coil of copper wire, having a magnetic saturation higher than the second metal, what then happens to the magnetic field that passes through the second metal having a lower magnetic saturation and an equal or higher magnetic permeability ? .
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RE: magnetic field and two metals
recommend a trade off material, say permealloy 49Ni, offers high permeability while still high Ms. for a high flux, you can simply increase the size of the core.
Two-metal idea is not a bad one in theory though.
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you see a central body, an empty red space where the copper wire winding and a double outer ring are placed to close and channel the magnetic field.
the idea is to use the central core in the shape of a cylinder wound by the coil with hiperco 50 to obtain maximum magnetic saturation, then the outer ring with another metal, also because hiperco 50 is expensive and difficult to lathe.
I also thought of using mu-metal but it has a very low magnetic saturation. in reality it is not clear to me how the two quantities (saturation and permeability) of the outer ring must be in order for everything to work at its best.
why do you say that it takes so much current for hiperco 50 ? looking at the BH curve it doesn't seem like it to me.
I searched the net for the magnetic characteristics of permalloy 49ni but I didn't find anything, where should I look? .
Could using low carbon steel and then annealing it to increase the magnetic properties be a good idea? .
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Same advisor. Doesn't mention Hiperco® 50.
Contact the advisor on that paper for more information.
Download of full text for that diagram says they got the information from https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-65... which calls for materials "Radiometal 4550, Armco, Hyperm 0, Hyperm Co50" which was written by S. H. Khan.
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48-49% Fe and Co with 2%V.
We used to use it for tapered pole pieces on electromagnets where we went to 24kG.
Adn I have seen it used for laminations (0.004" thick) for very compact transformers.
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Hymu 80, max DC permeability can be as high as 600,000! it also owns some degree of corrosion resistance. if corrosion is key, you could also think about ferrite stainless with B up to 18kG.
among all these soft magentic materials, hiperco has loweset permeability, which means you need a much higher current to get the same B level. note, flux = B.S, for a same flux, you can either increase B, or simply increase cross section area S if your applications allow.
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with the same level in magnetic saturation B (Tesla) comparing steel with low carbon content and all iron-cobalt alloys, which of the two consumes less electric current H (amp/m) ?
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so the current is continuous
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- 1001ELI (EDDS) .
- ARMCO purified.
which of the two is better in your opinion? .
it remains only to understand what material can I use for the outer ring and with what characteristics, I think it must have a saturation at least equal to that of the central body, but the permeability instead?.
however, other problems arise later, the two formats of semi-finished product that I need are the full round with a diameter of about 10 cm and the tube with an internal diameter sufficient to contain the full round, we need to see if the two steels I mentioned are marketed in this way. alternatively I could find a small forge that melts the metal, and also use it to do the annealing.
in the end I also have to go to the turner.
to give me an idea, how much do you think all these steps could cost me?
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I need to have your opinion.
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The flux density will be different in each section so the demands on the material will be also.
What non-magnetic material are you using for the back plate?
You don't want powder.
Unless you have dies, high pressure presses, and hydrogen sintering furnaces you will never get close to full density.
You need to find steel bar a size that works and with less than 0.02% C.
Machine and anneal (conventional).
Then test. If you need a bit more then try a purification treatment.
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