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At least 139 dead and 800 injured in Turkey and Syria after enormous earthquake causes devastation
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/06/update-at-le...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/06/update-at-le...
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M 7.8 - 26 km E of Nurdağı, Turkey; Time 2023-02-05 20:17:35 (UTC-05:00)
M 7.5 - 4 km SSE of Ekinözü, Turkey; Time 2023-02-06 05:24:49 (UTC-05:00)
and many smaller.
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?exten...
I will let others start a discussion of the politics of Turkish Building Codes. At least one reinforced concrete building pancaked (dik's link). We learned this expensive lesson in California, the building codes are improved. However the life cycle of buildings incorporates the improvement slowly into the building stock..
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Thanks for posting that link.
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/powerful-quake-rocks-...
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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https://twitter.com/DrWendyRocks/status/1622468146...
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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From the videos of the building collapses, it seems a lot have failed due to a soft-storey mechanism.
What is the common lateral stability system in this region / construction era?
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I wounder about the building code situation with respect to earthquake design and enforcement thereof in Turkey. Note this part of turkey has been in political duress for a Long Time, so it is unlikely that the building code situation has priority with the political process.
The Northridge earthquake exposed flaws in the Getty’s construction—and changed how LA builds; If it hadn’t been for what was observed after Northridge, and the Getty’s commitment, nothing might have been fixed; By Jenna Chandler@jennakchandler Jan 17, 2020, 9:35am PST
The Northridge Earthquake and Structures Jack Moehle
NIST Report Report of building performance during the Northridge earthquake attached.
A case has been opened, but data is minimal as of this writing. 2023-02-06 | [EMSR648] Earthquake in East Anatolian Fault Zone
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Baksheesh rules in Turkey.
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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https://twitter.com/TTremblingEarth/status/1622748...
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NEWS EXPLAINER; 06 February 2023; Update 07 February 2023: Turkey–Syria earthquake: what scientists know, Turkey and Syria’s buildings have always been vulnerable to earthquakes, but war has made things worse.
Clearing sub par buildings by letting earthquakes take them down is effective, but it is really expensive in lives.
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https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/08/breaking-fra...
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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https://twitter.com/budisangbasiyo/status/16229662...
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Earthquake in Turkiye/Turkey | Port of Iskenderun Container Terminal On Fire
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Earlier post said a small % increase in cost would be helpful.
What sort of added percentage would be required to make say, a ten-story apartment block earthquake resistant (not earthquake proof)?
Heard a local Turk saying 'no cement'.
Politicians like to panic, they need activity. It is their substitute for achievement.
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I don't know what the reference is. Is the local Turk saying that concrete buildings should not be used? You can make buildings fairly resistant to anticipated quakes.
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Politicians like to panic, they need activity. It is their substitute for achievement.
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How did a seismologist predict the Turkey earthquake 3 days earlier?
A Dutch researcher predicted that an earthquake would hit the region, highlighting with almost exact precision the epicenter of the quake that would soon strike.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730932
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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I lived in Turkey on the 13th floor for two years; design/construct BTC Pipeline. 3 earthquakes during that time. Not pleasant.
This one is really terrible. I can't watch the news.
Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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Politicians like to panic, they need activity. It is their substitute for achievement.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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"Critical Planetary Geometry" So I'm not quite ready to call that science. Perhaps, someday, we'll find that the interaction of slight gravitational pulls from planets in our solar system have an influence on plate tectonics, but I'm guessing that's still somewhere on the fringes of the fringes of what we might even consider a reasonable hypothesis.
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This 'theory' kind of got started when the 5.9 Whittier Narrows quake hit on October 1st, 1987. It was just a few minutes before 8:00am when I pulled into the office parking lot and as I was turning off my car I felt the jolt. At first I thought it was the engine 'running on' or dieseling (I was driving an older Plymouth Horizon at the time) but when I got out of my car, I saw people starting to run out of our building (my office was on the 5th floor, so if I had gotten to work a few minutes earlier, it would have been a pretty good 'ride'). Anyway, they evacuated the building and we all had to report to our designated 'safe areas' while they accounted for everyone. Despite it being early in the morning, it was already over 100˚ (hence the 'Shake & Bake' theory). And we were told not to leave as they wanted to keep the streets clear in case first responders needed to be deployed. This was also before anyone had cell phones so we couldn't call home or talk to our family members to see how they were doing.
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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I’ll see your silver lining and raise you two black clouds. - Protection Operations
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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https://globalnews.ca/news/9480155/turkey-earthqua...
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/02/06/us-...
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"The Building Inspector (AHJ) is not your (the owners) inspector". Even in the US where we have a mostly functional building inspection system, I always recommend the owner hire his own inspector.
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Know of one inspector who caught a major error on a new hospital.(California). Lotta grief for some people but the inspector was correct. Don't know who missed the error during the rigorius plan check by a number of agencies.
This is a terrible tragedy. Apparently warnings from the Turkish engineering professionals were not heeded but it does take time to motivate the proper people.
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Here in the United States, when a building collapses, we take lots of samples and think about things for a couple of years. And maybe pass a couple of new laws.
spsalso
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Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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My opinion is that the persons enabling "construction amnesty" for structures known not to meet code requirements should be prosecuted, before going after contractors. I wounder if a building having received "construction amnesty" would impede legal action against the constructor of the building?
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1736837/turkiyes-tragedy
Turkish engineer Pelin Giritliogu said that in the southern earthquake zone alone, there were over 75,000 buildings that had availed the construction amnesties. Once the rescue efforts wind down, investigations will reveal how many of these buildings actually survived, as compared with the few buildings that were built according to code. One example of such a building was found in the city of Kahramanmaras, where the sole building left erect was the Chamber of Civil Engineers, standing tall amid a devastated city.
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google street view
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If I were an insurance company, I'd be looking at voiding any insurance claims for these buildings.
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Insurance? What's that?
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It's a shame that it takes a disaster to open people's eyes to the dangers that are around them, and the consequences of ignoring them. Hopefully some other country or city will learn from this and not have to live (and die) through another lesson...
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Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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When I was working for EDS back in 1994, I spent nearly a week in Moscow visiting existing and potential customers. Since we were part of the GM family of companies, we shared office space with them. And when I arrived at the airport and when I had to get back for my flight home, GM provided a car and driver. On my way back to the airport I got to talking to the driver, who was a very proud Muscovite, and he showed me several historical sites during the drive. Anyway, the conversation got around to how he got a job driving for GM (his English was very good and he spoke like he was well educated). When I asked what he did before he got this job, he said he had worked as an engineer at a 'nuclear facility'.
After I got home, I was talking which one of my colleagues working it that office and I asked him about the driver. He told me that after the Soviet Union collapsed, foreign companies doing business in Russia were asked if they could hire certain individuals who had lost their jobs but who had certain skills which other groups/countries might be willing to pay money for. They would prefer that that they stay in Russia, and that they were earning enough to support their families so that they didn't have to get involved with these 'other' potential 'employers'. Now in the driver's case, it wasn't that he couldn't find employment in his field, just that the government preferred that he had a good-paying job doing anything but what he had been trained for.
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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All this with blatant disregard for earthquake standards, of which there were none.
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Yeah it’s a standard scapegoating exercise like you see in backwards counties. Round up a bunch of people, and declare them the culprits.
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Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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The city that didn't collapse: How Erzin became a haven from Turkey's earthquake
Residents and officials say Erzin suffered no deaths and saw no buildings collapse, and they credit a long-standing policy not to allow construction that violated the country’s codes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/erzin-turkey-ea...
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/14/thre...
Also the Israeli Defense Force team that was at Surfside last year was forced to leave Turkey over security threats.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/turkey-sy...
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Our response well to the lessons of the CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, EARTHQUAKE OF 1886 for nearly 100 years was a matter of fits and starts. Hopefully our house is in better order now.
Impact of local geological condition is also presented in STUDIES RELATED TO CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, EARTHQUAKE OF 1886 available at the USGS publication library .
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Here's a map showing the known faults here in SoCal:
John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
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Most earthquakes in Turkey occur along the North Anatolian fault and end where my BTC pipeline crosses on the Erzincan to Erzurum route. They have had a very steady westwardly progression for a long time. This turned things around considerably.
Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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How far offshore was it?
"Population of SF in 1906 was 400,000. At 5am SF was asleep in their single story wooden framed houses, probably not many living in 4-8+ story CMU/concrete buildings. In fact I think magnitude might be the only similarity."
From this we may see that it is safer to live in "single story wooden framed houses" than "4/8+ story CMJ/concrete buildings".
Lucky for the residents of San Francisco, there were very few of the latter.
spsalso
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--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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https://youtu.be/TnlCRoBAcuw
--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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https://youtu.be/IiDvo-xTinY
--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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https://youtu.be/nGV_JS9j4JE
--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/20/breaking-pow...
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Force Majeure Brings A Halt to Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) Oil Pipeline
https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/force-majeur...
--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/25/troubled-tur...
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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2023-02-10 | Information Bulletin 165 - The Copernicus Emergency Management Service assesses the damage caused by the earthquake in Türkiye EMSR648: Earthquake in East Anatolian Fault Zone
maps of 20 locations are now posted. Along with a final report (attached). The final report only covers the specific locations activated, and the initial earthquake.
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these probes are probably going to show that it was no fault of the Turkist goverment and only catch small fisk entrepreneurs (not "frinds" of Erdogan) and small time bureaucrats. Part of Erdogans original platform were reforms after a 1999.
--- Best regards, Morten Andersen
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Meanwhile nature is still clearing the field of earthquake damaged structures.
New quake hits Turkey, toppling more buildings: 1 killed; feb 27 2022 This one was a 5.2 aftershock.
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When a shock wave goes for dense to less dense material, the amplitude increases dramatically.
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Yes. Which likely explains why no one thought it a great idea to build one there.
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At least the volcano some 15km from me is 99.975% "dead". It still emmits some gas occasionally. I'm not too worried. I have not bought insurance coverage for lava flows or earthquakes.
--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."
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Yeah that’s how it plays out in backward countries. Its a political exercise designed to put the blame in the most expedient location. The fact that arrests happened immediately was so ridiculous.
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."