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Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?
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Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

(OP)
Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr.8.8 fasteners ?

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Grade 8.8 is a mechanical specification and doesn't dictate the alloys used. ISO 898 doesn't provide enough information to allow or restrict welding.

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Hi AbdullahJ

I don’t know any official specific document that restricts welding or grade 8.8 fasteners however I never welded high strength fasteners for the reasons this website gives:-

https://www.marshfasteners.com/what-happens-to-a-b...

“Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater.” Albert Einstein

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

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I, an anonymous person on the internet, officially restrict welding of Grade 8.8 fasteners.

There you go.

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Abdullah J,
Just Google and you will see it is definitely not recommended.
However, you are looking for specific reference.
I do believe there is one x code /standard that does prohibit it (I had a big issue with this on a previous project)but cannot remember which.
I found via Google so you can do the same.
If all else fails you can quote MintJulep as your reference !

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Use only JB Weld :)

Regards

Mike

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

In most welding codes there are rules about welding on high strength materials, especially if they are heat treated.
These welds would need procedures and qualifications like any others.
And that is why people generally do not weld high strength fasteners.
And of course, MintJ is correct.

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RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Abdullah J,

I find it extremely unlikely that a grade 8.8 bolt has not been heat treated. The heat treat and your grade 8.8 rating will not survive welding.

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JHG

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

Never weld any kind of stud, or tack weld between the stud and the nut.

Regards

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

(OP)
Thank yoy everyone.

A star for every answer. But no star for MintJulep

RE: Is there an official reference restricts welding Gr. 8.8 fasteners ?

1. AS/NZS 5131 Structural steelwork - Fabrication and erection:

Welding of materials of property class 8.8 and above shall not be permitted. Welding of nuts shall not be permitted unless they are specifically selected as a weldable product.

Ex:

https://infostore.saiglobal.com/en-au/standards/as...

2. Specification of threaded bar in structural applications:

High tensile threaded bars should not be heated beyond the transition temperature (in the order of 500°C)
as it would reduce its strength due to annealing. Therefore welding should be totally avoided on high tensile
threaded bars unless they are reheat-treated after welding.

Some practitioners weld hardened nuts in certain applications. This practice should be avoided as
the material properties of a hardened nut would alter if the nut is heated beyond the transition
temperature of the material which is in the order of 520⁰C.

Ex:

https://www.aefac.org.au/documents/AEFAC-Pub01-thr...

3. General:

I propose that reference 2 may be subject to interpretation of the definition of high tensile.

I generally support the statement by others: an evaluation of the engineering principles concludes that "high strength" fasteners must no be welded.

Regards.

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