Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
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Hi everyone,
I have a question regarding the pipe/tubing material to use for Sour gas:
- What is the maximum allowable concentration of H2S while using SS 316?
- What is the maximum allowable concentration of H2S while using A106?
- Incase of over 200ppm of H2S concentration, what materials are recommended to be used in this case?
Temperature 20C to 60C max
Any hint or general answer or point me to where I can find the answer will be much appreciated!
Regards,
Zee
I have a question regarding the pipe/tubing material to use for Sour gas:
- What is the maximum allowable concentration of H2S while using SS 316?
- What is the maximum allowable concentration of H2S while using A106?
- Incase of over 200ppm of H2S concentration, what materials are recommended to be used in this case?
Temperature 20C to 60C max
Any hint or general answer or point me to where I can find the answer will be much appreciated!
Regards,
Zee
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
regards
luis
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Then you can go back to the material tables and see what is acceptable for use in those conditions.
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RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Steve Jones
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RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
@SJones reading through the proposed H2S limit, it shows that for 316, temp 60C the partial pressure H2S max is 0.1 bar
"Calculating the mole fraction that, for the system pressure, does not give rise to an H2S partial pressure that exceeds the defined limits"
I didn't get how to take that partial pressure of 0.1 bar and use it to calculate the concentration of H2S in ppm. Can you please try to explain it to me using the above mentioned H2S partial pressure max or using an example?
Again, I appreciate it so much!!
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
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RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=213885
Thus, when you have the system pressure, then 0.1 bar a/system pressure = mole fraction.
Remember: ppm is a fraction based on a whole of a million units.
Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant
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All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Natural gas extracted in different locations varies in hydrogen sulphide concentrations. Those natural gas suppliers say "this is our natural gas and it contains 50ppm H2S"
other suppliers say "this is our natural gas and it contains 30ppm H2S" and so on. Hence what I am trying to figure out is what material (pipes, fittings,
valves etc) can we use to transfer this sour natural gas to be treated? If I can use 316ss at those H2S concentrations, would it still be viable if for example for another supplier that says their natural gas contains 200ppm H2S?
Our company take natural gas from suppliers, compress it to 250bar, transfer it by trailers, then decompress it using prms (pressure reduction and metering station) down to 2-4 bar depending on our clients need. Flow can range depending on client need ranging from 150 scmh up to 1500 scmh. Temperature min 5C and max 60C.
I am just learning as an intern..Thanks!
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
50 ppm = mole fraction 0.00005
pH2S = selected maximum pressure (absolute) x 0.00005
200 ppm = 0.0002
and so on.
Check your calculated pH2S values against the limits set in ISO 15156-3 for stainless steels. For carbon steel, effectively, if the necessary manufacturing, hardness, and chemical composition controls have been instituted for H2S service, there is no real limit to the amount of H2S as there is with the stainless steel.
Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant
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All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
That could help you arrive at an answer.
Inconel has been used as material for knock out drums in flare systems where H2S of different concentrations are received.
DHURJATI SEN
Kolkata, India
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
The maximum pressure that we attain in our system is 250bar, so I will use this pressure as the maximum system pressure, and lets say we have a 100ppm H2S sour gas, what I need to do is:
Calculate pH2S = (250bar) x (100ppm H2S)
pH2S = 250bar x 0.0001
pH2S = 0.025bar
Now I take this partial pressure (0.375psi) and check ISO 15156-3 Table A.2 which has material 316SS. It indicates for max Temp 60C (which is the max temperature of our system), max partial pressure H2S = 15psi, regardless of the chloride concentration and pH value. Therefore 100ppm H2S is way under the limit for my system. In fact, if I want to get what is the maximum H2S concentration for my system given the ISO 15156-3 H2S partial pressure limits
H2S conc = pH2S/ system pressure
H2S conc = 1 bar / 250 bar = 0.004 = 4000ppm
Is my calculation correct? feels like the H2S concentration is so high
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Steve Jones
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All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
At neutral pH the pitting limit is 100-200ppm Cl.
At a pH of 5 (easy to see if there is any CO2) the pitting limit is more like 10-20ppm.
Crevice corrosion under deposits wills start more easily and welds will also corrode more easily.
Then there is the issue of chloride stress corrosion cracking.
While most references will tell you that to also need oxygen I can assure you that while this may work for downhole hardware any fluid at the surface has oxygen in it. No system is that tight. And S aggravates CSSC. And 60C is plenty hot for it happen.
The risk with steels and H2S is related to hydrogen embrittlement, and austenite will not hydrogen embrittle except under extreme conditions.
Choose your steel alloy (and HT and welding) to resist the effects of hydrogen.
This is the specific thing that 15156/1-175 are designed for.
Choose your SS alloy (fab and welding) to resist corrosion.
You will need other guides for this.
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RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Reading through online, I came across API 5L X65 pipe recommended for sour gas pipeline transportation (that is the application I am looking to use the pipe for - transportation) however I believe its a carbon steel. Is this a possible solution for me?
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant
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All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Reading through, seems like all API 5L can be used for sour gas. However, when do you choose API 5L x52 over API 5L x65 for example? If you can shed some light on what I should be looking for?
For me, when I look at both API 5L x52 over API 5L x65, the difference that I can see is the mechanical properties of both are a bit different with API 5L X52 having lower Yield and Tensile strength. What am I missing if any?
Thank you so much!!
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Not all API pipe - it has to have Annex H compliance.
The key is in the numbers: 52 = 52 ksi specified minimum yield strength; 65 = 65 ksi SMYS
Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant
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All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.
RE: Maximum allowable H2S concentration while using SS and also while using CS?
Thank you so much SJones, I really appreciate your help, it means a lot !