Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
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This is somewhat a continuation of discussions under:
- Requirements For Transverse Shear Reinforcement - Minimum Shear Reinforcement
and
- Size effect factor in thick slabs
The latest AS3600-2018 amendment 2 clarified that minimum shear reo is require for one-way slab or beam when depth >750mm. This requirement is addressing size effect as I understand? I read somewhere experiments have shown deep slab, the top half may separate from bottom half during experiments (sorry for my crude description, I can't find the info) thus shear capacity was different from theoretical.
Why is it then two-way thick slab, say >750mm like deep beam/one-way slab, does not need minimum shear reo to account size effect? And another point, the D>=750 for one-way and beam is a geometry requirement, where minimum shear reo is required irrespective of the shear capacity vs design shear force.
- Requirements For Transverse Shear Reinforcement - Minimum Shear Reinforcement
and
- Size effect factor in thick slabs
The latest AS3600-2018 amendment 2 clarified that minimum shear reo is require for one-way slab or beam when depth >750mm. This requirement is addressing size effect as I understand? I read somewhere experiments have shown deep slab, the top half may separate from bottom half during experiments (sorry for my crude description, I can't find the info) thus shear capacity was different from theoretical.
Why is it then two-way thick slab, say >750mm like deep beam/one-way slab, does not need minimum shear reo to account size effect? And another point, the D>=750 for one-way and beam is a geometry requirement, where minimum shear reo is required irrespective of the shear capacity vs design shear force.
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RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
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RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
Whereas there is no redistribution capacity in a 1 way slab or a beam.
I think the initial version of AS3600-2018 or the Draft actually had the 750 limit for all members but we were able to get 2way slabs removed from the limitation in one of the Amendments.
RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
yes, the AS3600-2018 amendment 2 has made it clear the minimum shear is for 1-way slab and beam with depth greater than 750mm.
@gusmurr:
I agree, but the current As3600-2018 is saying minimum shear reo is not a requirement.
Beside design & construction issues, I thought one of the outcome from De la Concorde overpass collapse is minimum shear reo for two way?
Did a bit Googling, look like only EC2 requires minimum shear reo in two-way?
RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
From Eurocode 2, 6.2.1(4):
The minimum shear reinforcement may be omitted in members such as slabs (solid, ribbed or
hollow core slabs) where transverse redistribution of loads is possible.
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RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
Have you even thought of the construction consequences of minimum shear reinforcement in any slab with depth > 750mm independent of loading.
The new AS3600 rule for minimum shear reinforcement requirements increasing with depth mean that in a 600 or deeper flat slab, minimum shear reinforcement will be required in areas where V* > .5Vuc, same as for any beam, instead of the old rule based on V* > Vuc.
You want to change it to any value V*, even V* = 0!
RE: Two way thick slab (>750mm) and minimum shear
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