Contracting through An Architect
Contracting through An Architect
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Can anyone give me there take on how to get paid, if you have contracted through the architect, who for whatever reason, has
not been paid by the owner, and so now has decided to not pay us? Can you still lein a property if your client is the architect
and not the owner (sorry, not asking for legal advice, just asking if you all have been in this situation).
Thank you.
not been paid by the owner, and so now has decided to not pay us? Can you still lein a property if your client is the architect
and not the owner (sorry, not asking for legal advice, just asking if you all have been in this situation).
Thank you.
RE: Contracting through An Architect
This post is the one I'm thinking of off the top of my head. [link POST]https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=494762[/link]
RE: Contracting through An Architect
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?
-Dik
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As I said in the thread driftLimiter linked to - I'll go along with paid-when-paid within a certain time period. But when time's up, time's up - I'll start pestering for payment.
As far as liens go, it's a local subject for a local lawyer. Where I practice, you have declare your intention you use liens at the start of the project. If you don't (or within 30 days of the start, I think it is), you're out of luck.
RE: Contracting through An Architect
Not my experience... in many juristictions you cannot contract out of 'filing a lien'; the legislation is written in stone to prevent this.
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Do you feel any better?
-Dik
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One problem for me - the projects that don't pay are usually the ones that don't get built. How do you tie that to an improvement?
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I usually teach this in context of contractors, not engineers. But this is a good thing to add to my lecture slides. Thanks for the discussion!
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
RE: Contracting through An Architect
RE: Contracting through An Architect
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
RE: Contracting through An Architect
This gets a little tricky for me because I've always eventually gotten paid. (Sooner or later I'll probably get stuck holding the bag.) The objectionable part is my big firm client will sit on a $5-10k invoice for months before paying. They're big and the cashflow would mean nothing to them. $5-10k is nontrivial for me, and yet I had to front the work, travel, etc. for the team. It's not just architects. EORs and contractors are as bad. Because I will get paid, this is more of a matter of principle, or ego thing. A higher principle is I'd rather have less money later than faster money once and then never hear from them again, so I shut up.
That has affected my policies, though. I use subs quite a bit. When I can write a check without bottoming-out our cash reserves, I write a check. I only go with pay-when-paid when payment will come soon and I don't have the cash. In rare cases, when I knew it would be a while until the client paid, I've gone to the bank and borrowed the cash to pay the subs. If anybody gets left holding the bag for nonpayment upstream, it'll be me, not a colleague downstream.