Car carrier on fire
Car carrier on fire
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RE: Car carrier on fire
Or, the shipping company should pay for every lost car. Then maybe they'd enforce a functional fire-watch.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Car carrier on fire
It is certainly not the first time such an incident has occurred. Nor an issue than hasn't been considered.
https://safety4sea.com/car-carrier-fires-and-the-a...
https://www.dnv.com/news/enhancing-fire-safety-on-...
RE: Car carrier on fire
I'm not surprised, given issues with batteries. There should also be a universal and international registration of vessels. The rechargeable battery charger for my snowblower has a fan cooling circuit as part of the charger to reduce the chances of over heating.
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/264025/number-...'s%20flag.
RE: Car carrier on fire
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
RE: Car carrier on fire
Gasoline? Maybe.
both? Maybe.
spsalso
RE: Car carrier on fire
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It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
RE: Car carrier on fire
This side of the pond they say they are at there most dangerous when they are partial filled. When its full they don't explode. Empty they have enough vapour to go bang.
Those are all new so suspect they will only have a couple of litres in them.
Its a lot cheaper to make them, I think I read somewhere that a cruise ship on the American registry would cost 3 times as much as one built in Japan and Panama registered.
RE: Car carrier on fire
If I get 2, I'll let you know.
Full tanks or not, they'll burn either way. Just a load of popcorn.
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.
RE: Car carrier on fire
Plus some electric.
Tugs on there way but 2-3 days until they get there.
RE: Car carrier on fire
4m waves.
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.
RE: Car carrier on fire
RE: Car carrier on fire
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.
RE: Car carrier on fire
https://gcaptain.com/ntsb-says-failure-to-disconne...
https://gcaptain.com/car-carrier-felicity-ace-aban...
https://gcaptain.com/electric-vehicles-and-maritim...
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Which means when the fan dies (and they ALWAYS DIE) you have a total disaster. A fan is not an improvement.
I think that ship should be torpedoed immediately. I believe the gross pollution would be minimized with it all a couple of thousand feet on the bottom. Then I'd fry the shipping company for the pollution caused by allowing a major fire to break out.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Car carrier on fire
Thanks for the 'heads-up'. I thought it was a neat safety item.
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
RE: Car carrier on fire
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.
RE: Car carrier on fire
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher.
RE: Car carrier on fire
RE: Car carrier on fire
Onboard wages, safety rules, minimum conditions, etc are a function of the labor laws in the country in which the ship is registered.
So yeah running a ship that flagged in the US or a first world european country is astronomically more expensive than the commons flags of convenience (panama, liberia, etc)
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/tech/cargo-ship...
RE: Car carrier on fire
Joao Mendes Cabecas, the captain of the nearest port on the island of Faial, told Reuters the ship sank as efforts to tow it began due to structural problems caused by the fire and rough seas.
"When the towing started ... water started to come in," he told Reuters. "The ship lost its stability and sank."
The Portuguese navy confirmed the sinking, saying it occurred outside Portuguese waters at a depth of about 30,000 feet.
RE: Car carrier on fire
maybe $300M?Read the article $155M...Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
RE: Car carrier on fire
RE: Car carrier on fire
Remember - More details = better answers
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RE: Car carrier on fire
Looks like 3-4000m.
https://www.gebco.net/data_and_products/gridded_ba...
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.
RE: Car carrier on fire
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
RE: Car carrier on fire
I forget what they call the guy with the hatchet.
I remembered. Rudy Giuliani.
A black swan to a turkey is a white swan to the butcher ... and to Boeing.
RE: Car carrier on fire
RE: Car carrier on fire
You get a bollard tow which is a rope from the towed vessel to the tug which then gets put on a f'kin great big post on the boat and the only way you can get rid of it is via axe.
Then you have the quick release hooks as pictured which have been used for 70 odd years in Europe for normal vessel shunting.
If the towed vessel can't put out a rope then the big tugs can put out reel cable but it has to go through a BOP type setup with a pair of shear jaws plus back up and a hydraulic accumulators which can cut the tow rope in under a second. But apparently when they do its lethal and will more than likely cut through the bow of the vessel being towed.
USA they use a brake system with a live end so the whole lot runs out and then releases when the cable runs out. But that usually results in a fire onboard from the reel drum and brake unit.
I have zero clue about the pluses and minuses of both systems but its seems to be in the same league as 240V V 110V for domestic electricity as a pissing match between the two methods.
RE: Car carrier on fire
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
RE: Car carrier on fire
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RE: Car carrier on fire
Inland boats still use bitts for towing but anything offshore is on winches.
Here is an example of an emergency release being bypassed while experiencing a sinking tow resulting in a fatality of a crew member.
https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/marine/...
The secondary brake is unusual. The winch likely had a capstain and motor brakes are intended for holding the capstain only.
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Why on that disaster barge cruise did they extend the tow line 1 meter per day? Wear?
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Car carrier on fire
Yes, the tugs have rollers on the steen to prevent wear as the wire is paid in and out but the side to side motion during tow puts flat spots in the rollers. Sadly, our industry has not figured out that hardened rollers are the solution. Some companies will install a tow shoe which is a plastic faced plate that clamps to the wire. Then you pay the wire out until the shoe sits on the roller.
Tight enough to never fall off? Friction transfers the towing forces to the drum. When the drum is empty with no more layers all fo the force is transferred to the hold down which is weak and will break. We usually maintain 2-3 layers minimum on a drum.
With that said, as a company we only do occasional offshore tows. Most of my experience is with high performance synthetic rope on drums for ship docking. High performance synthetic rope is much more slippery and much less elastic than steel so there are some additional considerations.
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Schmitt are definitely EU rags so will need hydraulic shears to cut the cable.
RE: Car carrier on fire
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That orange hook shaped thing in the center, we employ a bunch of the descendents of its inventor.
LI, with soft steel, the cable just cuts grooves in the rollers and guides making the surface longer smooth which snags the cable. A drum will usually have 2000 feet of wire while a roller may only have 6 feet of circumference so the wear gets distributed along the wire but is quite concentrated on the roller.
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TTFN (ta ta for now)
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And it still cuts into them eventually.
I believe that the USN sometimes used PH stainless for these wear parts then they don't worry about corrosion either.
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