Cumbre Vieja Volcano Part II & A-Team rescues trapped dogs from lava.
Cumbre Vieja Volcano Part II & A-Team rescues trapped dogs from lava.
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Continued from Potential Disaster in the Making.
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Definitely fulfilling every bit of its potential.
This is probably the worst disaster, excluding loss of life events, to hit Spain in a very long time. Nobody has died, but many lost a lifetime. Buried. Gone.
At least one bit of good news here.
Surprise Development!
This sign was discovered this morning.
Strength to La Palma! The dogs are fine!
signed: "A-team".
Video https://diariodeavisos.elespanol.com/2021/10/un-co...
The A-Team has rescued the dogs trapped by the lava. Frustrated by the lack of action on the part of the authorities in approving the much anticipated air rescue attempt, The "A-Team", a group of animal activists took matters into their own hands. Apparently they mounted a covert operation sometime on Tuesday night and successfully slipped in past the police and around the roadblocks to rescue the dogs. The identity of the A Team agents and the present location of the dogs is being held secret, so as they cannot be prosecuted for violation of the security rules.
This story cannot yet be verified, but we hope it is true and that the dogs have indeed been rescued.
https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=487413
Definitely fulfilling every bit of its potential.
This is probably the worst disaster, excluding loss of life events, to hit Spain in a very long time. Nobody has died, but many lost a lifetime. Buried. Gone.
At least one bit of good news here.
Surprise Development!
This sign was discovered this morning.
Strength to La Palma! The dogs are fine!
signed: "A-team".

Video https://diariodeavisos.elespanol.com/2021/10/un-co...
The A-Team has rescued the dogs trapped by the lava. Frustrated by the lack of action on the part of the authorities in approving the much anticipated air rescue attempt, The "A-Team", a group of animal activists took matters into their own hands. Apparently they mounted a covert operation sometime on Tuesday night and successfully slipped in past the police and around the roadblocks to rescue the dogs. The identity of the A Team agents and the present location of the dogs is being held secret, so as they cannot be prosecuted for violation of the security rules.
This story cannot yet be verified, but we hope it is true and that the dogs have indeed been rescued.
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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Joking aside, great news if true.
Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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You see so many abandoned cars and a block of parked Concrete Trucks that sat there for probably weeks before getting buried. Why would you leave that hardware to just be destroyed?
44 can you show on the Lava Map where the dogs were trapped?
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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At Dog Rescue OP was at the stock tank in this video, which puts them at 28°36.901'N, 17°53.459'W
https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x84zyi8?ap...
Dog_Rescue.kmz attached
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Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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After the cone broke.
What's really hard to believe is the amount of lava that covered the landscape in just one month. It just goes on and on.
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And
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Yet on the east side of the island in Santa Cruz, life goes about quite normally, at least when there is no ash fall.
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24 10 2021 07:14 UTC
23 10 2021 07:14 UTC
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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SO2 40.4tn/day. Its not going to stop anytime soon.
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Lava jetting to 200m, about double what it has been.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=INvrtMg5tSQ
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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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It felt like a truck had run into the house, like everything moved 5 cm and the back again.
But there is never any damage on things on the surface.
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Lava flows descending toward the Atlantic Ocean from a volcanic ridge have covered 2,400 acres of land since the eruption began on Sept. 19, data from the European Union's satellite monitoring service, showed. On the way down the slope, the molten rock has destroyed more than 2,000 buildings and forced the evacuation of over 7,000 people.
But authorities in the Canary Islands, of which La Palma is part, have reported no injuries caused by contact with lava or from inhaling the toxic gases that often accompany the volcanic activity."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/with-no-sign-of-erupt...
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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2700+ structures destroyed
1450t/d SO2 (very high - needs verification)
Increase in lava flows
5.1 quake on Friday, since dropped to 3.5
Very high ash output
Some now buried twice
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That led me to run a search for "volcano slug flow" which pulls up a bunch of papers along a similar line. One of the referenced web pages contains the "Taylor bubble (gas slug) flow in a volcanic context". Taylor bubble is one way of calculating parameters related to SO2 emissions, and some other parameters, which experts might know or be able to figure out.
One of the web pages that turns up provides a lengthy explanation of how all of this works at Fagradalsfjall
The changing faces of Fagradalsfjall: fizz, bubbles and slugs.
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https://www.ign.es/web/ign/portal/ultimos-terremot...
They are posting 5.x at 31 10 17:52 and 30 10 07:32.
Yes, I've found several papers on magma flow. It seems many types of flow regimes are experienced in vents, including annular flow.
Thanks for the links.
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Cheers
Politicians like to panic, they need activity. It is their substitute for achievement.
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Air quality extremely bad.
Heavy ash rain continues.
Airport closed.
5.1 quake this morning.
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Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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This morning 22,000 t/day (250kg/s) SO2 was reported. Don't know what's up with those numbers.
Somebody may be reporting using "." separators instead of ".", or the news has gotten the numbers wrong as usual ???
Estimating from a volcano mass expulsion relationship, Plume Ht Km = 0.365 * M^0.255
M = kg/s
Using 5km plume height reported Saturday.
M = 110,000 kg/s , 110 metric tonnes /s
0.365 varies with a number of factors, not explained, but in any case a rather large number.
One thing for certain is that ash removal from rooftops and critical roads is a major, major problem now. Its a continuous blizzard with 5 surrounding townships confined to home. Another Pompeii in the Making.
That will worsen, if threatened rain happens on Thursday/Fri. The SG of the dry ash is 1.00
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That tombstone view above is pretty shocking for ash-fall.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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https://www.aeronomie.be/en/news/2021/tracking-cum...
Any way, ash fall is totally out of control. Looks like black snow in Buffalo, NY.
Lots of tourists (10k were there for the All Saint's 3 day weekend) are stuck on the island with the flights cancelled. Returns on the ferries are all booked too.
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge
RE: Cumbre Vieja Volcano Part II & A-Team rescues trapped dogs from lava.
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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It's full of minerals, but 0 organics and other binders. It's basically worse than Arabian desert sand, where all that it needs is just water. Soil has been mixed into ash and lava flows, or rather placed on top in 18" min layers, in some places on Lanzarote from its 6yr flow and its worked there at least to some extent for bananas, small crops and grape vines Otherwise on its own it takes a few hundred years.
Lava flooded land, called "malpias", or badlands here, is supposed to revert to the state as protected parkland, not for construction, but due to the general shortage of land here, there is some talk of changing that law. But there always is such talk that never seems to matter in the end. In any case, a lot of work will have to be invested into such an effort. Its worse than badlands. It is very "chunky", not smooth like in Hawaii. Extremely rough and sharp surfaced. Falling on it usually requires a trip to the doctor, or at least the pharmacy to buy bandages. Some razor edges in there. A Mars rover couldn't make it's way over most of it. There are still flows here from 1906 that have been left to nature to recover. You really can't even walk on the stuff. I think a hotel or two have been built on top of a few that spilled into the ocean hundreds of years ago.
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Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge
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SO2 at 29,400 mt/d 1,225 mt/h
CO2 is 1,850 mt/d
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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Of late there is some talk of reduction in released energy, but I think it is somewhat premature, as there are still periods of extreme activity. Although appearing to be lessening in frequency, it may simply be what people want to hear. In reality, the risk level has not measurably decreased; the monster has not gone anywhere and is still spitting out immense quantities of lave and ash. Although the lava flow has recently held to existing channels, I feel that if it decreased flow even a little, those existing channels would freeze and block, causing overflows and new channels to form on a subsequent increase. Some areas of solified previous lava flows subject to multiple overflows have now reached an impressive 40m in height. Such heights are usually not seen in other volcanos around the world.
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https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcanoes.html
One of the Icelandic dudes sent me that link
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It is very impressive country, as Ruiz reaches to FL180 (17,800ft) and there are seven other volcanos in the area. It is in a very remote cloud forest. The ride to Juntas from Ibague is a few hours by "chivo", Billy goat, actually a very brightly painted school bus, up a rough mountain road on one side of a very steep gorge. The "road" is little more than a collection of 8 to 12" borders placed roughly in a curvey line ... which destroyed my back for days. I dont think I would attempt it again. If that's not enough, there are a number of hand pulled cable cars crossing the gorge to small farms on the other side... with very rusty cables as they get wet twice a day as the clouds move up then back down the valley. Fortunately I didn't have to take a cable car to reach the farm. Ruiz was only visible three times during the 3 mo I was there. That's where I noticed something about Colombia that I still remember. The poorer you are, the more flowers you have on your front porch. My friend had a water turbine generator to supply light and hot water. The only farm that had such a system in an otherwise electrically poor region with one tiny power company wire to supply all customers, which failed constantly and would be out for days at a time. When we didn't have enough water to run the generator, it was a very cold bath in the icy mountain water pool. All in all, a very cold, wet, rugged, but very beautiful area. I imagine it is still much the same today.
It sounds like it might be starting to act up again.
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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Precision guess work based on information provided by those of questionable knowledge
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This one is from the 3rd of Nov, so you can see the lava coverage has not changed that much. Most of the lava is flowing into the ocean.
Last week the experts were beginning to talk about some light at the end of the tunnel, however a number of strong quakes down to 38km depth, some reaching Maag 5.1 again, with following increase in lava flows and blasted materials has ended that speculation.
And due to the continued high volume of pyroclastic materials the volcano is emmitting, its "volcano strength" level classification was upgraded from Level 2, to 3 on a scale of 8.
Actually there are 8 vents shown on the map, however some are blasting stronger, or flowing more lava, or making more smoke than others and they do vary some from time to time.
Heavy ash plume continues and the airport has been shut down again for the past few days. It will probably be for a few more days as they await a weather front to move in and change the winds to the SW again.
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Volcano north of Sicily.
Hope it goes soon in the winter season then there is no nonsense next summer.
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https://osm4wiki.toolforge.org/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki-o...
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This one
last erupted 1890
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[img https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/em...]
https://time.com/6123078/top-100-photos-2021/
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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Or some one taken a photo after a heavy snowfall and forgot to take of there brown lins.
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Photo by Rafa Muñoz
Cumbre Vieja is still blowing and going. Record numbers of quakes (400 in 24h) are keeping it well supplied with lava. All thoughts of an early extinction have vanished. A lava stream has erupted below the ash covered house ( Time 100 photo above) and has escaped the main channel, to work its way down the north side of the existing flows, taking out more houses as it nears La Laguna. I'll publish the map later today.
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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I'll tell him you all liked it. (I should have credited the picture)
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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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If not it's a pretty good guess though.
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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I thought the Canaries were named after the dogs after all.
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Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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What the Europeans called them since there was large dogs there.
But it's a bit hmm I don't know..
Latin for dog is "canis" but Latin for "to be sung" is "canari" so not sure what's the hen and wat's the egg here.
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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We don't really need to know which came first.
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Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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It's easy; Islands never cry...
Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?
-Dik
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TTFN (ta ta for now)
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God Jul 1503-44!
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
Albert Einstein
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Retweet to all.
A criminal investigation into the abandonment of the dogs has been opened.
The present whereabouts of the dogs is unknown.
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Keith Cress
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An offer of a reward for proof of life has not been answered. I mean about the dogs, not the volcano.
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BBC news.
Politicians like to panic, they need activity. It is their substitute for achievement.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/300496...
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https://twitter.com/MetService/status/148224777789....
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Tsunami can be observed across the Pacific.
Pago Pago, American Samoa, Arrival time Jan 16 2022 5:30 GMT
NOAA Tide Gauge Santa Barbara, CAArrival time Jan 16 2022 16:00 GMT
Alitak, AK Arrival time Jan 16 2022 16:18 GMT
Added after itsmoked's comment below.
Monterey, CA is the closest NOAA tide gage to Sana Cruse,
As displayed here - data points at 6 minute intervals, there is evidence of the Tsunami, but not the full impact of it's height.
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It floated all the cars in the parking lot and raised all the docks to within an inch or so of floating free off their pilings.
I'm really annoyed because I went to the absolutely CRAP Tsunami warning center and couldn't figure out if we had a warning or not. That's how screwed up it is.
Fascinating the shockwave! Check out this Scott Manley vid showing it go around the world. People heard it in Alaska.
Shockwave Vid
Keith Cress
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Looks like Alaska didn't see anything.