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Engineering FEED vs FEL Design

Engineering FEED vs FEL Design

Engineering FEED vs FEL Design

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I've recently started getting involved with the front end design process in providing customers with conceptual or feasibility designs to help them conceptualize project as well as determine high level budgetary cost for project.

In doing some research I found that there is a standard industry approach to this process typically referred to as FEED or FEL design. I've also seen that there are different stages of this front end design process FEL-1, FEL-2...which incorporate different deliverables and levels of details related to design drawings and cost estimating.

I am interested to hear from others with experience with this front end process on the typical approach or summary of differentiation between the different FEED/FEL design stages.

Is FEED generally the same as FEL or are they two different steps in process? As a consultant do you typically provide this service on a T&M basis not knowing the parameters of design scope at onset of design?

RE: Engineering FEED vs FEL Design

Briefly, as I experience it, FEED is a part of the FEL process, typically taking place at FEL-3. FEL is more about the overall business decision making process that goes into a project, from concept, to feasibility, to execution to commissioning, including the necessary decisions to stop along the way and back up or abandon it. FEED is more about the nuts and bolts of seeing if it will work as conceived once someone HAS decided to spend money on it after FEL-1 and FEL-2. As Engineers, we typically don’t get involved until it gets at least to FEED, because we want to get paid for our work, so someone has to have already released those funds (hopefully) after the FEL-1&2 processes.

As a cautionary note; if someone wants to drag you in at the FEL-1 or -2 stage, be prepared for not getting paid for your time. Some people will do this to equipment vendors as a way to help them make their earlier decisions. As the Calamari commander in Star Wars said, “It’s a trap!”

" We are all here on earth to help others; what on earth the others are here for I don't know." -- W. H. Auden

RE: Engineering FEED vs FEL Design

FEED would be conceptual design. detailed design comes next

RE: Engineering FEED vs FEL Design

I have been involved in several FEL processes for a variety of projects and clients. Unfortunately, they end up going the same as projects without a FEL process. There is supposed to be a lot of upfront planning to anticipate issues and make the project run smoother. But really, it is usually just another road block to performing the real work on a project. There are usually meetings, planning sessions, pull planning, and a lot of other fancy buzz words people like to use. It seems like clients implement FEL to convince themselves they being proactive.

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