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lies and statistics ...

lies and statistics ...

lies and statistics ...

(OP)
From Flight ... "At 6% of flights, long-haul services emit 51% of CO2: Eurocontrol"

are long haul a/c bigger than the others ? 6% of the flights, account for a much higher fraction of seat.miles (but that's not a "good" a story.

are long haul flights longer than the others ? 6% of the flights accounts for a higher fraction of flight hours ...

if we didn't have those long haul flights, would we have "any" ?? (many short distance flights are connections; many short distance flights can be traded for other modes, that probably create more CO2 ...)

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RE: lies and statistics ...

(OP)
ok 6% long haul and 94% short haul ...

assume long haul flights carry 5 times the number of passengers (200 vs 40) ... then it looks like 6%*5 = 30 verses 94%*1 = 94
now assume long haul flights are 5 times longer (2000 miles vs 400) ... now its 30*5 = 150 verses 94*1

so long haul flights have 150 passenger seat miles verses 94 passenger seat miles for short haul and long haul generates about the same CO2 emissions ...
actually it's a good deal ... long haul flights are more efficient than short ! (which I think is what we would've expected)

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

RE: lies and statistics ...

That's stated in this article:

Quote (https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/at-6-of-flig....)

Eurocontrol points out that 6% of long-haul flights departing Europe account for 10% of seats and more than 40% of seat-kilometres.

With this in mind, data shows that short-haul flying is arguably a bigger polluter when measured in emissions per seat kilometre, because a much larger proportion of the flight time is spent on take-off and landing, which use significantly more fuel than level flight.

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RE: lies and statistics ...

Rating things is based on the desired argument outcome.

It seems simple enough - if one is concerned with the profitability of running an airline then CO2/seat-mile is really just a stand-in for pounds of fuel per seat-mile. If one is concerned with pollution - look at where the fuel is burned regardless of the number of seat-miles. It's not like there is passenger ship competition for the typical airline passenger so any per seat-mile comparison is meaningless but for year-over-year profitability.

RE: lies and statistics ...

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RE: lies and statistics ...

Guilty

RE: lies and statistics ...

(OP)
guilty too (particularly when I've exceeded my free reads ...)

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?

RE: lies and statistics ...

Rates are about profitability. Pollution is about total quantity.

RE: lies and statistics ...

Hmm. A 737 gets at best about same C02/km-seat as my '82 Benz 300TD, single occupant -.08 kg/km-seat for the benz. No movie or peanuts included though.

RE: lies and statistics ...

Which generation 737 and 747, there's only 40 years or so variation in engine technology for both those aircraft.

Edit: and how I have read the first charts legend, so -400's for both so 90's engines.

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