Those that can, 'do'. Those that can't, 'push paper'...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

csk62,

As a grey-bearded older guy, I claim that the requirement for hands-on depends on the type of engineering you do, and the process and culture of your workplace. As senior people, we may regard hands-on work as valuable experience for our junior people to acquire.

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JHG

I think to effectively push paper, you have to have a good understanding of the work and this comes from a hands on approach.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

Plenty of gray around the edges here (but good genes are keeping most of my color, so far)... paper pushing happens everywhere, but it also depends upon what you do. As a hardware design engineer, I still roll up my sleeves and grab the ol' soldering iron, lay down some o'scope probes, bit-bang some code, etc. But, technology allows (requires?) me to spend more time simulating before building, analyzing before guessing, documenting before shipping, etc... some may view that as "paper pushing" since I'm not running around the lab frantic things aren't working the way I intended. So be it... but I bet I get more work done these days than I ever did (once the REAL paper pushers get out of my way).

Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

I’ve heard similar many times, usually from folks who had an army of draftsmen and/or CAD designers to do the first 95% of the design during their formative years and aren’t at all “hands-on” in the office today.

IME opportunity depends more on the company and individual than anything. If you want opportunity and your employer isn’t providing then it’s time to find another. Personally I’ve never lacked hands-on opportunities despite always working for mid - mega sized corporations and always being in design or analytical roles rather than test or manufacturing.

Welcome to geotechnical engineering now get out there and stand next to a drill rig or excavator or watch a construction project as the engineering rep. Perform these tasks in the field and write down the results.

In my experience the engineering paper pushing doesn't occur in geotechnical engineering until practical field experience has been acquired.

I'm not saying we all didn't do field work starting fresh out of college, but by jove some of these older guys make it seem like they went out alone in Timbuktu with an angle grinder in the dead of summer before they were allowed to sit in the air conditioned cubicle farm. I suspect their experiences were really not that different than today.

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I think the shift is that business and industry has decided to live with the costs/consequences of the virtual design process - most of the time stuff works when it is designed by someone sitting in an office. More resources are dedicated to areas that become problematic. It also depends on the contents of one's personal bag of hammers. I have the older-style hammers in my pouch.

I started in high school, carrying a rod for a sutvey, doing the master layout, and contour plots, distributing the errors from the survey, and contributing a few details along the way, for a motel that has been in business for decades. I wasn't allowed as much autonomy until I had been out of college for several decades, and had tried several trades other than civil engineering.

I ended up with a very mismatched set of hammers, and no clue about how entry is done now.

Mike Halloran
Corinth, NY, USA

I just learned that my company is planning to train all future prospective field technicians using virtual reality software, which presumably tells people how to operate valves and when etc. Its an interesting departure from showing people in person what physical actions are required etc and will be interesting to see how well it can replicate a real world scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes the norm in the nesr future.

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