×
INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!
  • Students Click Here

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here

Jobs

Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

(OP)
Hello,

This is a new one for me... so any help would be appreciated.

Our shop built an ASME VIII-1 vessel back in the late 2000's for use in North America. It was fabricated and stamped with an ASME U-stamp. A customer has now asked about buying the vessel and moving it to Europe.

I know for new pressure equipment for use in Europe, the PED rules govern. This would require notified bodies to be involved during fabrication, and many other factors must be taken into consideration.

Does anyone have experience with moving used equipment into Europe? What happens if it was never CE marked in the first place?

Thank you,
Marty

RE: Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

I do have some experience with this, albeit not much (since it almost never happens). There are (few) exceptions to CE marking, but this would require the vessel to be CE marked is it now brought onto the market in the EU for the first time.
This is as good as impossible, as I’m 99,99% sure certain essential aren’t met and can’t be met retroactively.
National jurisdiction may have exceptions though which are not covered by the PED: which country would be applicable?

RE: Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

As XL83NL stated, this is pretty much a no...but it does depend on what the specific jurisdiction allows. It may be possible that exceptions could be made.

On another note, is there any possibility of proving that the welds were made by a welder and wps that was (or can be) certified to PED? Any chance that the material could be deemed acceptable to PED? There may be a path (it will be long and obscure for sure) to retroactively mark the vessel with the CE mark.

Quality is not an act, it is a habit - Aristotle

RE: Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

I was once asked to review a French manufacturer's data sheet on a heating boiler. I compare the details on the French data sheet to our heating boiler code section IV and much compared favorably . So, what I am saying is wherever this vessel is destined to delivered in Europe, determine if the construction code of that country in Europe is similar to North American (USA or Canada?)code and list in writing the comparisons.

RE: Moving used pressure vessel from North America to Europe - PED Issues?

Contact your AIA. Most of them offer PED Services. Pose your question to them.

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members! Already a Member? Login


Resources

White Paper - The Criticality of the E/E Architecture
Modern vehicles are highly sophisticated systems incorporating electrical, electronic, software and mechanical components. Mechanical systems are giving way to advanced software and electronic devices, driving automakers to innovate and differentiate their vehicles via the electric and electronic (E/E) architecture. As the pace of change accelerates, automotive companies need to evolve their development processes to deliver and maximize the value of these architectures. Download Now
White Paper - Model Based Engineering for Wire Harness Manufacturing
Modern cars, trucks, and other vehicles feature an ever-increasing number of sophisticated electrical and electronic features, placing a larger burden on the wiring harness that enables these new features. As complexity rises, current harness manufacturing methods are struggling to keep pace due to manual data exchanges and the inability to capture tribal knowledge. A model-based wire harness manufacturing engineering flow automates data exchange and captures tribal knowledge through design rules to help harness manufacturers improve harness quality and boost efficiency. Download Now
White Paper - Modeling and Optimizing Wire Harness Costs for Variation Complexity
This paper will focus on the quantification of the complexity related costs in harness variations in order to model them, allowing automated algorithms to optimize for these costs. A number of real world examples will be provided as well. Since no two businesses are alike, it is the aim of this paper to provide the foundational knowledge and methodology so the reader can assess their own business to model how variation complexity costs affect their business. Download Now

Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close