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Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?
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Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

(OP)
My views are in the favor of metal buildings because metal buildings have many advantages and saves trees. We can use metal sheds because metal doesn't release oxygen.

Share your opinions or other aspect of the coin please.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Metal, because it makes me money. Burn the trees anyway, for fun.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

I'm not sure this is what you're saying, but I'd be very surprised if an environmental life cycle analysis of a metal structure compared favorably with a timber structure. Sure, it might save some literal trees, but I don't think that's our real benchmark, is it?

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RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Wood structures are a great way to sequester carbon.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

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What's to gain giving up one just to exclusively adopt the other? Both have their inherent strengths and weaknesses, and neither material is guaranteed to always be the better choice, it depends on the situation.

From an environmental standpoint I think wood has a significant advantage:
- it can be replenished.
- like XR250 said, it sequesters carbon and can potentially result in a negative carbon footprint
- I'm not 100% confident but I imagine the manufacturing process for wood is friendlier than steel

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

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Mud huts with a cow on the roof and a cork in the cow's behind.
No better way, dude.


RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

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We are not supposed to steel.

I wood follow the 10 commandments.

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

You also can't covet your neighbors wife, but 3 mud huts down is fair game.

Gotta love a family pic that insists the 2 jackasses be in the picture. On top of that, they included the 2 mules also.
And lastly, I have seen that cow on the roof picture for years, and I still contend the cow is actually suspended over the hill behind the house by UFOs.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

The cow is simply on the hill the hut is built into the side of. That was the au naturel way to keep the homestead relatively cool in the burning summers.

In the higher quality image on the web, you can clearly see the cow is on the hill, AND, you can see that the hill the cow is standing on is the roof of the house.

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RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

JAE:

Actually, I think that is Waddle and Daub, the two horses I mean.

And the tall guy in the center either has Steelies in his pocket, or a wo.....

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Could it be a "soddy" house?

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RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

This post reactions show that posting a dumb statement will get the same sort of comments. Engineers aren't so gullible after all.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

lolWell, that killed it...

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Well not quite. Here is the Modern city of Seattle showing the new "housing" methods. OK'd by the leaders, so must be good.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Well even in that higher quality photo by IRstuff I can’t seem to see the cow’s cork-in-the-behind.

Instead maybe they were feeding the cow methane inhibitors.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

It is obvious to me the cow's tail is an air-tight seal. It probably has a compression type gasket.

I think the person in the blanket is putting their ear to the ground to listen for an army of hypodermic needles blowing across the pavement.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Oldestguy...

Naw. That’s just a picture of a local sewer side at the corner of Pins and Needles near the Pike Street Market. The cow had already left the scene of the event. City maintenance engineer called it in after the coverup attempt ensued. Photo credits to a local photo pugilist.

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Oh, now I get it. Since grass isn't growing well there, this is a new way to fertilize it. Over kill I think.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

(OP)
Boof19 Wood is non renewable and on the other hand steel is the most recycled metal on earth. I guess deforestation has more impact on environment rather than carbon emission due to steel recycling process. Apart from environmental impacts, metal is good at every aspect like durability, strength, pests or rotting, age, etc. as compared to wood.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

chris_e, you do know, that if you manage your forests the right way, more wood grows than you can use? This means it is renewable.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

I agree that clear cutting forests doesn't do much good and it has severe environmental impacts, but as molibden mentioned there are well established and scientifically based best practices for forestry management that reduce these negative impacts. Advances in engineered wood product design and manufacturing has greatly improved the overall usage of the material to the point that almost no part of the tree is wasted.

As for steel - and I'll admit that more steel usage means more money in my pocket in a circuitous sense - it is a fantastic product with a lot of benefits. But it's not suitable for everything. Steel is not a renewable. There is a limited amount of iron ore out there buried in the ground. Steel recycling is awesome and provides a huge benefit, but it isn't the end-all-be-all. Run your scenario out a few decades. What happens to the scrap supply if we abandon wood for the sake of steel? It diminishes, and costs go up. Mini-mills struggle to keep up with the big integrated mills, and we're forced backward into big coke ovens and melting down raw materials that have to be mined - and how environmentally friendly do you think that's going to be? This may be something of a doomsday scenario, but some version of it isn't unlikely if we tried to abandon wood.

The two materials exist in the market place in a balance - each serving an appropriate market based on cost and availability. That balance is ever changing, but it will never tip completely one way or the other.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

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Wood is non renewable and on the other hand steel is the most recycled metal on earth. I guess deforestation has more impact on environment rather than carbon emission due to steel recycling process. Apart from environmental impacts, metal is good at every aspect like durability, strength, pests or rotting, age, etc. as compared to wood.

Steel is actually pretty terrible at thermal insulation, so I don't know how competitive it is with wood for constructing energy-efficient buildings. It is my understanding that thermal break technology for steel connections isn't really mature yet.

Also, a properly-designed wood structure can last a century or two, and the initial embodied energy of steel construction is pretty high compared to wood, so your building needs to stay in service a pretty long time for the "durability" aspect to pay off.

Also also, wood construction requires less-specialized tools and labor.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

Stick to wood. Wood is warm. Steel is cold and unfeeling.

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA, HI)


RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

In tank work, the smallest "beam" we normally use is a C4x5.4. When I first heard about them framing houses with steel, I was visualizing something like that instead of 2x4s, and thought "hot dern, that's the way to build a house!". Then when I saw the actual steel studs were about one notch above tin-can material, I was a bit disappointed.

RE: Should we move to metal buildings or stick to traditional wooden structures?

If you don't waterproof the structure properly, they will equally fall apart! It's a tie.

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