Shouldn't modern common rail fuel systems ignite?
Shouldn't modern common rail fuel systems ignite?
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Modern common rail systems run as high as 2500 bar (36 kpsi) which is equivalent to a 265:1 compression ratio. At this pressure, I would expect an air bubble anywhere in the system would auto-ignite. Do I have this right? If so, how is air purged from a newly installed injector?
RE: Shouldn't modern common rail fuel systems ignite?
Any air bubbles would presumably be infinitesimally small, so the problem would solve itself with an infinitesimally small popping sound.
Maybe.
RE: Shouldn't modern common rail fuel systems ignite?
I think the actual answer to your question is any air in the fuel system is sent back to the gas tank on the return leg or sucked into the cylinder, whichever comes first.
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I think the portion of RVAmeche's answer relating to vapor pressure is the key. As an analogy, a deep sea diver's blood is quickly saturated with nitrogen at depth. Likewise, I suppose an air bubble surrounded by liquid at 2500 bar would quickly dissolve yielding, in this case, an "air/fuel mixture" incapable of igniting.
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I think it's been adequately pointed out that the geometry (surface-area-to-volume-ratios and such) makes it unlikely that any tiny pockets of air trapped in the injector could ever get hot enough to ignite the fuel they come into contact with.
But what if they magically did manage to light off? we're talking about cubic millimeters of air here. With the tiny amount of fuel you could oxidize with this tiny amount of air, you'd release a tiny amount of heat, but the pressure increase would be pretty small compared to what the high-pressure fuel pump is trying to do inside the rail/injectors. It'd be a real non-event, nothing to write home about. Instead of tiny air bubbles trapped in the injector bodies, you'd get tiny pockets of exhaust gas. Either way, you trigger the injectors a few times, they spray a mix of fuel and air bubbles (or fuel and exhaust gas), and then you've got all the gas out of the rail/injectors.
RE: Shouldn't modern common rail fuel systems ignite?
A pressure washer pump, which uses plungers, pistons, whatever, when it sucks up some air the pressure is gone forever it seems. 2600 psi to a trickle in 1 second flat.
A mechanical injection pump, with the air in there, won't pop open mechanical fuel injectors. There's no longer enough pressure.
Similarly, the design of some modern high pressure diesel pumps uses pistons/ plungers. Once air gets there, with it's compressability, if you will, the pressure created inside the pump would be insufficient for it to flow into the high pressure side of the fuel system.
To add to that, if there's check valves it won't go to the high pressure side. The air expands on the intake stroke and then limits the amount of fuel that can be brought into the chamber of the pump.
I've had the unfortunate experience of refuelling my diesel on the side of the highway after running out. I had to go so far as to crack the lines to the injectors to get the air out of there. Even after the lift pump did it's job the high pressure pump could not with the air behind it.
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